Merge - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
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UTG: 125.3 BB (VPIP: 21.24, PFR: 14.50, 3Bet Preflop: 3.92, Hands: 344)
Hero (CO): 170.3 BB
BTN: 102.2 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 6)
SB: 64.6 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 2.86, Hands: 72)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 32.14, PFR: 19.20, 3Bet Preflop: 8.62, Hands: 228)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A T

fold, Hero raises to 2.2 BB, BTN raises to 7 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 18.6 BB, BTN calls 11.6 BB

Flop: (38.7 BB, 2 players) 4 J T
Hero bets 19.3 BB, BTN raises to 38.6 BB, fold

BTN wins 73.1 BB

C/C flop

Just fold to the 3bet

I like the 4bet,but check the flop your hand is a bluff that picked up some showdown value.

Whts your 4b range?

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I think AJo, KQo and A5s are all better 4bets here. AP probably x/c, it's not like you can barrell away on an ace turn, and you have better bluffs here (I see you do 4bet bluff so KQo and A5 w/ BDFD are better candidates). Plus the flop hits Villain harder than us so we're not betting many combos for value.

I'm tempted to say c/f though.

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we can shift 4b to AJo, depends also on original CO open range. But 4betting ATo cannot be bad.
As played I would x/c flop and give up turn unimproved.

They are also good options A2s-A5s AJo KQo ATo i think all are fine options to 4bet bluff c/o vs bn.

Is a good idea 4bet bluff w 6 hands¿

Wouldn't 4-bet PF (might be okay, probably on the loose side vs. a guy you have six hands on), would c/c flop as played.

^^^^^ This isn't the hand to go to war with. 4-bet some Axs wheel hands, SC's, and suited gappers if you want to get frisky.

+1

A2s-A5s would also be options to 4bet bluff from c/o but 100bb deep you probably want the fold equity pre with the blocker over the playability of suited connectors. I think this is a perfectly reasonable and +ev 4bet. It also doesn't mean you cant have a few suited connectors in a 4bet bluffing range to choose from.

If your 4betting QQ+ AK for value from c/o for 34 combos we want around 22 bluff combos to balance our range. But we want to pick some extra combos to choose from so our range isn't to rigid with our options. So we might choose a bluff range like
A5s-A2s,97s,86s,ATo as our options for 36 combos.

If you leave out ATo and use the wheel aces with say 97s,86s for 24 combos i also think that's a perfectly reasonable solid strategy. I would just prefer a few more options to chose from so i'm not so limited with my options when i'm put in a 4bet situation. As a default strategy i think it' works very well and doesn't leave us playing a guessing game every time we are put in a situation with our ranges.

+2 ...

A2s-A5s would be the best possible hands to 4b bluff with... this is just way too wide imo.

I think Feng Shui's analysis is pretty good. I like the idea of taking my worst offsuit ace from my continuing range and turning it into a 4bet and this one probably fits the bill, maybe AJ if we are opening tighter.

I'm going to have TT+ for value here and then some SC's and suited wheel aces with BDFDs for bluffs. I probably look to c/c a reasonable bet on the flop with this hand and see what develops on the turn.

Should also consider blocker effect on btn Ax bluffs. I'd prefer TJs,JQs ahead of ATo I think. This just doesn't flop well

dont ever 4bet light from these positions at nl10 merge

Fold pre

I don't know the whole range off the top of my head, but I don't want to call with AJo so that would certainly make a better 4bet than ATo

After thinking about it a little bit more I think we can 4bet/gii with AA, KK, QQ, AK. I think AJo, KQo, A5s, and A4s would make good 4bet folds. This gives us just about a 1 to 1 value to bluff ratio which is probably a bit too value heavy but thats probably a good thing against unknowns.

Easy fold pre. Easy check flop as played.

The problem with 4-betting ATo is what happened here. When you get flatted you're gonna have a bad time. It's not like you need a lot of 4-bet bluffs to begin with.

Id usually work from a 60/40 value bluff ratio with 4bets. But most definitely if AJo isn't in your calling range then it goes into your 4bet bluff range. It shouldn't really be a debate about ATo as a 4bet bluff from c/o it's a perfectly reasonable hand to do it with.

If we 4bet gii in with QQ+,AKs,AKo for value for 34 combos , divide 34 by 1.5 gives us 22 bluff combos for balance with a a 60/40 ratio. Value heavy on 4bets of'course. So we could say 24 combos A5s-A2s,97s,86s is our bluff range, but do we really want to have such a limited range. We either find our selves under 4betting or 4betting that range to much even if it's not such a great spot.

We don't need to be rigid with our ranges we should always give ourselves options , even in a default range. We want a bit of leeway if that makes sense. You mention 4betting KQo as a bluff and id agree .That is another hand that is a very good candidate for a 4bet bluff from the c/o. I wouldn't call it wrong to 4bet bluff that hand from the c/o , neither would i say op is wrong for 4bet bluffing ATo. It's a perfectly reasonable and +ev 4bet. Not everyone would choose to use this hand as a bluff but it's not an incorrect 4bet bluff in my opinion.


The problem was cbetting the flop. We cant say things are wrong just because we got called. The whole idea is we don't want to get called on our bluffs. And when we do get called we know our bluff is basically crushed. So we proceed postflop very cautiously unless we flop extremely strong.

I mostly agree with most of your posts but that logic is ludicrous.

Explain please ? when we 3bet bluff say 94s bb vs btn we don't want to get called. Were relying on fold equity to make it profitable. I mean i wouldn't argue against 4bet bluffing ATs-A9s,A5s-A2s,KJs-K9s,QTs+,AJo-ATo,KQo any of those hands from the c/o vs btn. I just don't see ATo as a terrible 4bet bluff c/o vs btn. I would say though that yourself and BDQ are two posters opinions i respect very much. And i'm certainly not saying my opinion is correct.

For a start, with how wide equity is pre-flop it's not that great to think of things in terms of pure value or pure bluff. Secondly, we don't want to get called when we "bluff" but we know for sure it's going to happen sometimes, and when it happens pre-flop we still have equity and three streets to play, so we'd like to realise as much of that as we can and be able to play optimally post-flop. So we choose a range that best achieves that.

There isn't much difference in terms of raw equity between 78s, 78o, and 68s, but which one do you open most frequently from early positions? Why? Because you can only select so many hands and you might as well go with the combos that are a few % points higher overall.

Same for your 4-bet bluff range. It's an even smaller range of hands, so drop stuff that sucks the most.