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Call turn bet? Call turn bet?

05-10-2021 , 04:35 PM
PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 104.7 BB 31 hands 36/22 3b 22%
SB: 101.3 BB
BB: 100 BB
Hero (UTG): 136 BB
MP: 54.9 BB
CO: 167.5 BB

with an OESD should I call ott against a 2/3 bet? Or would my hand be to face up if it hits?

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5 6
Hero raises to 2.2 BB, fold, fold, BTN raises to 7 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 4.8 BB

Flop : (15.5 BB, 2 players) A 7 8
Hero checks, BTN bets 4.9 BB, Hero calls 4.9 BB

Turn : (25.3 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, BTN bets 16 BBhero????
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05-10-2021 , 07:03 PM
nope
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05-10-2021 , 08:03 PM
I don't call that raise preflop either. Have to have some folds to the BTN raise, and that should be [near] the bottom of your range.

All my opinion of course.

Last edited by robert_utk; 05-10-2021 at 08:04 PM. Reason: added "near"
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05-10-2021 , 08:07 PM
these low scs are opened at low freq utg and called vs the 3b purely for board coverage reasons
can ofc do w/o both rfi or defending
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05-10-2021 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ionutd
these low scs are opened at low freq utg and called vs the 3b purely for board coverage reasons
can ofc do w/o both rfi or defending
yep

after i reviewed my database and saw i was losing money whenever i opened with them in EP/MP, i just stopped opening them.
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05-10-2021 , 08:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ionutd
these low scs are opened at low freq utg and called vs the 3b purely for board coverage reasons
can ofc do w/o both rfi or defending
Good point, ionutd.

I was stuck in "pure strategy" mode. Randomizing is recommended.

All my opinion of course.
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05-11-2021 , 07:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by robert_utk
I don't call that raise preflop either. Have to have some folds to the BTN raise, and that should be [near] the bottom of your range.

All my opinion of course.
me too but but I saw him 3b alot. would you call 78s/89s/109s then ?
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05-11-2021 , 11:25 AM
65s is my single biggest losing hand. I used to open this far too often from EP. Pretty much always folding to the 3bet preflop OOP.

Would indeed be pretty face up if it hits, but by the same token could you jam if a Jack hits the river?
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05-11-2021 , 12:48 PM
I agree that these small SCs are not profitable opens (but not very unprofitable) from early positions, but they are profitable calls vs 3bets, so I think including them in your open range at low frequencies is not a bad idea. Small suited Ks are more profitable opens, but not profitable calls vs 3bets.

I would tend to either call the turn bet or raise, although a raise would have to be allin. You can realistically have 77 and 88, as well as 78s and maybe 33 (at a lower frequency), so you do have a raising range with let's say 6 combos. Clearly, your best bluffs will be 6c5c, 5c4c, 6c4c, Tc9c, JcTc, and Jc9c, but my guess is that you won't have all of those 100% of the time, and you will want to play at least some of those as calls. You could then include some KcXc or QcXc as bluffs, as they block a lot of villain's potential calling range (AK/AQ), so I don't see too much to be gained by bluff jamming with this combo.

However, you are getting odds of about 28% on a call, and you will have a little under 20% chance of hitting otr, a little under 15% of "clean" outs (those that don't also bring the flush). However, if you consider the implied odds, I think your hand is borderline, but it will make enough money to be profitable as a call.
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05-11-2021 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Fishyreg888
me too but but I saw him 3b alot. would you call 78s/89s/109s then ?
I use small PP's and suited wheel aces for low board coverage. In the UTG seat my sc calls would be the higher ones, but mainly suited broadway cards.

Other players have given some good advice in the thread, I suggest you try out their advice: randomize these low sc's and defend for board coverage.

As for this particular spot, the majority of BTN hands that play, play for a raise. So, this particular spot should not lead you to alter your play from your chosen strategy.

All my opinion of course.
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