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11-19-2017 , 06:25 AM
Hi, villains stats are: 32hands, 18/13, looks like tight fish. What is villains range? what do you think about river call? thanks

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $9.36 (93.6 bb)
BB: $10.61 (106.1 bb)
UTG: $18.91 (189.1 bb)
Hero (MP): $16.16 (161.6 bb)
CO: $13.17 (131.7 bb)
BTN: $9.80 (98 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q Q
UTG raises to $0.25, Hero raises to $1, CO folds, BTN calls $1, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.15) 6 9 9 (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.90, BTN raises to $2.20, UTG folds, Hero calls $1.30

Turn: ($7.55) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($7.55) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $6.60 and is all-in, Hero calls $6.60
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11-19-2017 , 07:50 AM
I think given the preflop action he's heavily weighted towards suited connectors and medium pocket pairs, I'm never ever calling here.
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11-19-2017 , 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by BackdoorQuadsDraw
I think given the preflop action he's heavily weighted towards suited connectors and medium pocket pairs, I'm never ever calling here.
really, tight fish? I dont think so.
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11-19-2017 , 08:25 AM
You have no sample on him and he is 2bb short of a full stack, might have forgotten to check the auto rebuy at the start of his session or anything, you have nowhere near enough info to deem him a fish.

And anyway, fish or not, T9s, 98s, 87s, 55-99 etc are all reasonable flats here OTB 3 way. Also things liks Ax suited.

And lastly, why ask for advice if you already know better than everyone?
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11-19-2017 , 09:09 AM
I ask you for your opinion, why are you offending us child?

btw.: why villain checks hands like T9 on turn?
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11-19-2017 , 09:39 AM
That board smashes his range. As backdoorquads said, 10 9 suited, 9 8 suited are all part of his range. I'd even throw a J 9 suited there. Pocket 8's, 7's, 6's are all a possibility.

I don't think a check on the turn with T9 or any 9 that it's in his range makes a lot of sense, but if you're right and he's a fish, fish love to make tricky plays like these. If he has a 9, or turned a boat or flopped a boat, he's checking the turn because in his mind he's afraid of not blowing you off the hand.

If he didn't turn a boat or flop a boat and he has 7's and he really is a fish, I wouldn't put it past him to raise the flop as he's not giving you credit for a 9, he thinks his sevens are good so he's raising for value in his mind against a 6 ( I know this sounds crazy but there really are players like this ), when you call he checks the turn as he's not sure of his hand anymore and when he makes a straight on the river, he jams it without thought.

All in all, AP, I don't see any bluffs here.
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11-19-2017 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by TK1991
I ask you for your opinion, why are you offending us child?

btw.: why villain checks hands like T9 on turn?
I didn't, just not sure why you ask for advice, receive it and then tell everyone they're wrong.

If you think you made a good call and got coolered then that's fine, keep doing it and if you're right then you shoud make money in the long run.
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11-19-2017 , 10:45 AM
I personally think flatting here with a suited connector or small-medium pairs is pretty bad but players at these levels like to see flops with them so I wouldn't put it past him.

That river is the perfect card for him to bluff on but I'm having a hard time putting him on a hand that we still beat after the turn and river. He could be a fish that is just clicking buttons with AJ or AQ I suppose but even some of those got there when the flush completes. I fold.
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11-19-2017 , 08:28 PM
He check raised the flop, and shoved the river. So Villian either had a strong hand on the flop, or got there by the river. Fold. Sometimes this a bluff, but not often.
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11-20-2017 , 01:05 AM
Insta fold. 10nl, people underbluff so we need to overfold. You're never good here.
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11-20-2017 , 06:57 AM
I’m really surprised that people are putting 89 into villain range. They would have to cold call a pretty large 3bet. I can see villain doing this with exactly TT/JJ which we beat. I also think 55-99 is pretty likely, so for that reason I think I fold, but I think saying you are never good here is inaccurate. After a little more discussion I would like to villain cards!
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11-20-2017 , 07:45 AM
@Colunb7 Honestly you're right, TT-JJ could be played the same way. So can KK+, random hands with a 9 like A9s could be part of his range, 66, 88, 77, 99 as well since turn was checked i think given villains stats he's never bluffing but are we ahead of his value range often enough to make this a call. We are ahead of 12 combos, and behind 27 combos...so we have 30 percent equity vs his range. We aren't getting the proper odds to call here so I'm folding every time vs this sizing.
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11-20-2017 , 07:52 AM
My range construction for villain was mainly because of his stats and general population tendencies on this board texture but I've seen villains with similar stats go out of control with AJ+ type hands so if we could realistically add any of those to his range it increases our equity by a lot.
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11-20-2017 , 08:02 AM
If you’ve seen any of my tilt induced spaz bluffs, you can’t rule out that he has 33!
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11-20-2017 , 08:18 AM
32hands is just too small of a sample, I probably fold
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11-20-2017 , 08:35 AM
I dont think he has SCs.. Fishes like slowplaying their strongest hands or playing them tricky... But we dont know him... so giving him credit ... i'd fold.. if the river was a blank i would call maybe

Last edited by Lefty Gekko; 11-20-2017 at 08:43 AM.
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11-20-2017 , 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Colinb7
If you’ve seen any of my tilt induced spaz bluffs, you can’t rule out that he has 33!
These are Villain's cards
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11-20-2017 , 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by TK1991
These are Villain's cards
well, you lucked out this time, but readless river is a snap fold for me. You are just guessing and the population has you crushed here 90% of the time.
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11-20-2017 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by johndoe82
well, you lucked out this time, but readless river is a snap fold for me. You are just guessing and the population has you crushed here 90% of the time.
I agree. If you continue to make hero calls against unknowns, your going to be an unprofitable player. I’m not saying you should never call with a hand like yours in to a board like that, I just wouldn’t do it often.
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11-20-2017 , 03:59 PM
Id just jam the flop i think. Id expect villains range to be pp's rather than suited connectors and maybe some AK AQ when over calling 3bets. Your only really losing to 3 combos of 66 and one of 99. As played river is close 88 55 got there as'well as a few of his back door draws like AK AQ diamonds. It's probably closer to a fold than a call though.
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11-21-2017 , 03:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Feng Shui
Id just jam the flop i think. Id expect villains range to be pp's rather than suited connectors and maybe some AK AQ when over calling 3bets. Your only really losing to 3 combos of 66 and one of 99. As played river is close 88 55 got there as'well as a few of his back door draws like AK AQ diamonds. It's probably closer to a fold than a call though.
How would you balance you jam otf? AK?
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11-21-2017 , 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by IClickButtons
How would you balance you jam otf? AK?
I'm not really concerned with balance vs bad players who we have 32 hands on. In general i think people worry far to much about playing balanced in the micros.
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11-21-2017 , 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Feng Shui
I'm not really concerned with balance vs bad players who we have 32 hands on. In general i think people worry far to much about playing balanced in the micros.
Agree, however by raising we rep QQ-AA a lot.
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11-21-2017 , 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by IClickButtons
Agree, however by raising we rep QQ-AA a lot.
But then villain is repping what on the flop ? it's not only likely but very probable that villain hasn't got a clue what he's repping or what our shove reps.
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11-21-2017 , 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Feng Shui
But then villain is repping what on the flop ? it's not only likely but very probable that villain hasn't got a clue what he's repping or what our shove reps.
He is rapping a middle pare that "wants to know where am I in the pot" and probably folds to a shove. I am not saying that the flop shove is bad itself but probably we can do it with the stuff like AK as well.
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