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View Poll Results: Do you get AKo all in for 100bbs BTNvsSB?
Call 17 89.47%
Fold 2 10.53%
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Old 02-19-2019, 01:33 AM   #1
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Spade Is this a call or a fold? AK BTNvsSB

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem $0.25(BB)
HERO ($28.87) [VPIP: 24% | PFR: 20.9% | AGG: 32.7% | 3-Bet: 14.3% | Hands: 94553]
SB ($29.28) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 100% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 100% | Hands: 1]
BB ($20.36) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
UTG ($16.65) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HJ ($23.72) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
CO ($30.68) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]

Dealt to Hero: A K

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $0.60, SB Raises To $2.05, BB Folds, HERO Raises To $5, SB Raises To $29.28 (allin), HERO ?
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Old 02-19-2019, 02:46 AM   #2
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Re: Is this a call or a fold? AK BTNvsSB

Readless, BTN vs SB, yes. Not like we expect to make a lot from it though.
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Old 02-19-2019, 08:44 AM   #3
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Re: Is this a call or a fold? AK BTNvsSB

sigh call
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Old 02-19-2019, 08:56 AM   #4
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Re: Is this a call or a fold? AK BTNvsSB

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Old 02-19-2019, 09:23 AM   #5
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Re: Is this a call or a fold? AK BTNvsSB

Snowie suggest folding, but calling is -0.01EV

Dunno if it's a fold in high rake environments
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Old 02-19-2019, 10:00 AM   #6
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Re: Is this a call or a fold? AK BTNvsSB

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Snowie suggest folding, but calling is -0.01EV

Dunno if it's a fold in high rake environments
Yeah itís definitley close. High rake + unsophisticated players = not a good combination for us.

To the people saying snap call, what do you think Villains range is?
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Old 02-19-2019, 10:13 AM   #7
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Re: Is this a call or a fold? AK BTNvsSB

Even if villain's range is just JJ+ and AK we are close to a call, they only need to have a few combos of Axs to make it an easy call.
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Old 02-19-2019, 10:28 AM   #8
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Re: Is this a call or a fold? AK BTNvsSB

No point 4betting here if you don't want action. IP, heads up...just flat if scared.
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Old 02-19-2019, 10:46 AM   #9
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Old 02-19-2019, 10:46 AM   #10
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Re: Is this a call or a fold? AK BTNvsSB

Huh

Since when are we not getting it in pre with AK in btn vs blinds preflop as a standard play
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Old 02-19-2019, 10:47 AM   #11
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No point 4betting here if you don't want action. IP, heads up...just flat if scared.
Except the times he just flats my 4bet IP with worse hands?
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Old 02-19-2019, 10:48 AM   #12
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Even if villain's range is just JJ+ and AK we are close to a call, they only need to have a few combos of Axs to make it an easy call.
Yeah i ran it in equilab and it is a very slight loser if villain has JJ+,AKo. But if he ever has bluffs its a winner long term.
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Old 02-19-2019, 11:02 AM   #13
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Re: Is this a call or a fold? AK BTNvsSB

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Old 02-19-2019, 11:50 AM   #14
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Re: Is this a call or a fold? AK BTNvsSB

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Yeah i ran it in equilab and it is a very slight loser if villain has JJ+,AKo. But if he ever has bluffs its a winner long term.
Correct.
I am not surprised when I see a rec spazzing in this situation, happens fairly often.
And ofcourse most of the times we're against a nutted hand.
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Old 02-19-2019, 12:09 PM   #15
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Re: Is this a call or a fold? AK BTNvsSB

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Yeah i ran it in equilab and it is a very slight loser if villain has JJ+,AKo. But if he ever has bluffs its a winner long term.
What is QQ+, AKo? As extreeeeemely rare that JJ shows up here in the micros on Stars
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Old 02-19-2019, 12:29 PM   #16
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What is QQ+, AKo? As extreeeeemely rare that JJ shows up here in the micros on Stars
JJ+,AKo. What makes it a call is that we already have 20BBs invested. So we only need ~40% equity.
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Old 02-19-2019, 01:20 PM   #17
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Re: Is this a call or a fold? AK BTNvsSB

Don't 4-bet AKo if you're not snapping off a 5-bet. 4-bet folding with this hand BU vs. blinds is a disaster.

It's a 0ev call if V only ever has QQ+ and AK, add in some random spazz at some frequency (which will happen) and it's fine

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Old 02-19-2019, 02:03 PM   #18
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Re: Is this a call or a fold? AK BTNvsSB

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Except the times he just flats my 4bet IP with worse hands?
And what about the times he folds a woefully dominated hand?

People 4bet AK, other guy snap folds AT, and they think they did something. If I'm 4betting AK after I'm already guaranteed to be heads up vs a narrow range, IP, with an SPR that already allows us to get all in by the river comfortably, its because I'm trying to get all in asap.
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Old 02-19-2019, 02:16 PM   #19
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Re: Is this a call or a fold? AK BTNvsSB

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And what about the times he folds a woefully dominated hand?

People 4bet AK, other guy snap folds AT, and they think they did something. If I'm 4betting AK after I'm already guaranteed to be heads up vs a narrow range, IP, with an SPR that already allows us to get all in by the river comfortably, its because I'm trying to get all in asap.
Hoping to hit a 2 outer vs AT by flatting is not as profitable as 4betting with AKo. Because we donít need to hit the flop to print vs 4 bet caller. Your strategy forces us to smash some miracle 2 outer and cooler someone.
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Old 02-19-2019, 02:30 PM   #20
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Re: Is this a call or a fold? AK BTNvsSB

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Hoping to hit a 2 outer vs AT by flatting is not as profitable as 4betting with AKo. Because we donít need to hit the flop to print vs 4 bet caller. Your strategy forces us to smash some miracle 2 outer and cooler someone.
Save the miracles for the guy oop with the rubbish hands. If I flat IP, I'm not folding lightly. I have the best hand on any low board imo so good luck to oop on 422 that wants to rep turned/rivered SCARE CARDS.

However I'm getting this in pre mostly. 4b/f bvb cant be be.
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Old 02-19-2019, 02:32 PM   #21
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Re: Is this a call or a fold? AK BTNvsSB

Readless, don't 4b/f AK esp from these positions.
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Old 02-19-2019, 02:47 PM   #22
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Re: Is this a call or a fold? AK BTNvsSB

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Hoping to hit a 2 outer vs AT by flatting is not as profitable as 4betting with AKo. Because we don’t need to hit the flop to print vs 4 bet caller. Your strategy forces us to smash some miracle 2 outer and cooler someone.
I always felt like calling pre with AK/AQ to blur our range/under rep hand/slow play etc. was overrated, and the way you simply phrased it makes a lot of sense!

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Old 02-19-2019, 03:06 PM   #23
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I always felt like calling pre with AK/AQ to blur our range/under rep hand/slow play etc. was overrated, and the way you simply phrased it makes a lot of sense!

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Well you have to be comfortable post flop. Dont flat if you consider AK a drawing hand to top pair.
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