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Call everything ? Call everything ?

03-17-2019 , 09:10 AM
Hey guys I'm pretty new here so don't be rude :P
Should i call everything here ? I feel like if I'm calling the flop I have to call Turn and River too because it doesn't change much

PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (UTG): 104 BB
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.51, PFR: 17.95, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 79)
CO: 117.5 BB (VPIP: 27.49, PFR: 23.39, 3Bet Preflop: 9.38, Hands: 177)
BTN: 179.5 BB (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 29.41, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
BB: 174 BB (VPIP: 34.29, PFR: 17.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 36)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J J

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, CO calls 3 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.5 BB, 3 players) 9 9 2
BB bets 4.5 BB, Hero calls 4.5 BB, fold

Turn: (18.5 BB, 2 players) T
BB bets 14.5 BB, Hero calls 14.5 BB

River: (47.5 BB, 2 players) K
BB bets 34.5 BB, Hero calls 34.5 BB

BB shows 9 8 (Three of a Kind, Nines)
(Pre 19%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
Hero mucks J J (Two Pair, Jacks and Nines)
(Pre 81%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
BB wins 112.5 BB
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03-17-2019 , 09:13 AM
Not folding that flop, probably calling the turn also. The river though, a K pops out and the guy doesn't shy away. Firing 3 bullets in general is pretty strong, but I think if he had like an 88 or 77 it's unlikely he bets that river. I think you're going to see 9x here a lot. The flop was pretty dry so it limits some of his bluffs as well.
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03-17-2019 , 09:19 AM
Yeah I think you are right. Would it change anything if the river would be a blank and he still bets ?
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03-17-2019 , 12:38 PM
I think the T is what clinched it. Now you even lose to TT. Very few would continue blindly betting with 33-88, although they are out there. So you literally only beat AT, or a maniacal JT. Think about what the bottom of your range is on each street and ditch it (to simplify a lot). Ott JJ is pretty much there.

Last edited by bailashtoreth; 03-17-2019 at 12:52 PM.
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03-17-2019 , 01:04 PM
Raise flop. If he reraise than fold. If he calls than half pot turn and check back River..fold to any raise turn and even if he donks river
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03-17-2019 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by M1ndGam3
Raise flop. If he reraise than fold. If he calls than half pot turn and check back River..fold to any raise turn and even if he donks river
Raise flop? That's not good unless he's the biggest station ever. Maybe he calls with TT, but otherwise you're ensuring only the hands you beat continue. You're turning your hand into a bluff at that point.

Anyone with 9x here or 22 that knows what they're doing isn't going to 3-bet you either, they're going to flat your raise and let you put money into the pot on the turn to take you to value town.
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03-17-2019 , 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Markulous
Raise flop? That's not good unless he's the biggest station ever. Maybe he calls with TT, but otherwise you're ensuring only the hands you beat continue. You're turning your hand into a bluff at that point.

Anyone with 9x here or 22 that knows what they're doing isn't going to 3-bet you either, they're going to flat your raise and let you put money into the pot on the turn to take you to value town.

I understend your thinking process but this is cash game and you think like an human..you need to think like a machine and try to put more money when you are good, not trapping oppo or think to be trapped..look at the hand..you open a monster hand and bb Just called..he could have a lot of cards, his range is too big..when he donks he could have any PP any 9 any 2 depending on how much he donks..so you need infomation..just call Is not enough you need to raise to protect your hand and to make his range small..moreover you control pot action and sizes..when he calls you can assume that his range could be JJ TT 9x (88?) 22 so you know you are pratically dead, and you loose less money than call call call..moreover when cames down a q you know for sure that his money are yours..so to pot control bet turn and than chek back River..loose less money and sometimes wins against weak part of his range.
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03-18-2019 , 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by M1ndGam3
I understend your thinking process but this is cash game and you think like an human..you need to think like a machine and try to put more money when you are good, not trapping oppo or think to be trapped..look at the hand..you open a monster hand and bb Just called..he could have a lot of cards, his range is too big..when he donks he could have any PP any 9 any 2 depending on how much he donks..so you need infomation..just call Is not enough you need to raise to protect your hand and to make his range small..moreover you control pot action and sizes..when he calls you can assume that his range could be JJ TT 9x (88?) 22 so you know you are pratically dead, and you loose less money than call call call..moreover when cames down a q you know for sure that his money are yours..so to pot control bet turn and than chek back River..loose less money and sometimes wins against weak part of his range.
This sounds like a quite good info man!

so to sum what you are saying, we should raise for info, and when we get called we are mostly dead and when he folds we have better hand so we get perfect info, cool!
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