bvb 3bp ATo @ 200z - Micro Stakes Pot Limit and No Limit

ignition

PokerStars - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $237.80 (VPIP: 28.70, PFR: 21.04, 3Bet Preflop: 6.82, Hands: 90,085)
Hero (SB): $468.33
BB: $100.00 (VPIP: 32.95, PFR: 6.90, 3Bet Preflop: 6.83, Hands: 90,397)
UTG: $203.00 (VPIP: 18.92, PFR: 16.15, 3Bet Preflop: 9.52, Hands: 90,170)
MP: $324.14 (VPIP: 20.77, PFR: 16.79, 3Bet Preflop: 4.64, Hands: 89,654)
CO: $240.20 (VPIP: 23.64, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 5.38, Hands: 88,676)

Hero posts SB $1.00, BB posts BB $2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $3.00) Hero has T

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $6.00, BB raises to $19.72, Hero calls $13.72

Flop: ($39.44, 2 players) 4

Hero checks, BB bets $19.13, Hero calls $19.13

Turn: ($77.70, 2 players) 3

Hero checks, BB checks

River: ($77.70, 2 players) 3

Hero bets $77.70 (62 effective)

every street seemed interesting here.
fold pre?
shove flop? (I feel like its prob the GTO play)
cool vbet on riv?

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02-17-2019 , 05:30 AM

SneakyPirana

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Trolling post?

How can shoving flop ever be gto here? Will never extract value from worse, and only called by better.

Why turning 2nd pair into a bluff otr? Like what, u think he will call with A-high?! Any history with this guy? Will he call 55-99, KT QT 9Ts, and are they even in his 3b range?

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02-17-2019 , 06:00 AM

Unsporting

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4bet or fold pre.

Shoving flop seems insane when he has AA-TT/AJ

River he either has A high type hands or he’s trapping you with a monster. Just bet small targeting hero calls with A high etc

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02-17-2019 , 06:54 AM

BornToRun

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02-17-2019 , 07:46 AM

Mat Kuehs

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Imo clear fold pre, meh hand in a high raked game vs a pool that has like 6-7% 3b from the blinds.

Loads of better hands to bluff with and loads of better hands to value bet otr.

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02-17-2019 , 07:53 AM

BornToRun

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Originally Posted by Mat Kuehs

Imo clear fold pre, meh hand in a high raked game vs a pool that has like 6-7% 3b from the blinds.

Loads of better hands to bluff with and loads of better hands to value bet otr.

You know this is 200nl not 2nl right?

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02-17-2019 , 08:00 AM

Mat Kuehs

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Originally Posted by BornToRun

You know this is 200nl not 2nl right?

Why would you play this hand differently at different stakes?

If anything i like this hand a lot more if it was played at 2nl

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02-17-2019 , 08:01 AM

BornToRun

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Originally Posted by Mat Kuehs

Why would you play this hand differently at 200nl?

Huh?

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02-17-2019 , 08:04 AM

Mat Kuehs

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Originally Posted by BornToRun

Huh?

i edited my post so it made more sense haha

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02-17-2019 , 08:08 AM

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BornToRun

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Originally Posted by Mat Kuehs

i edited my post so it made more sense haha

Because you were talking about rake and the player pool's 3bet % as the determining factor in your decision. Haven't played 200 on Ignition, but I'd imagine both those things are very different between 2nl and 200nl.

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02-17-2019 , 08:13 AM

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Mat Kuehs

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Originally Posted by BornToRun

Oh right i get you now, yeah i'm aware it's 200z i play in those games regularly and can confirm that the player pool is nitty and the rake is indeed high.

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02-17-2019 , 08:16 AM

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BornToRun

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Originally Posted by Mat Kuehs

Oh right i get you now, yeah i'm aware it's 200z i play in those games regularly and can confirm that the player pool is nitty and the rake is indeed high.

Fair enough, looks like the population are 3betting 6% from BB in total based on OP's stats, I'd imagine it would be higher vs SB. Still think calling pre is fine.

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02-17-2019 , 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BornToRun

How is river well played? Not being toxic, genuinely wondering. I guess you want hero called, to which I’d say a smaller bet is way more effective. Villain is lol-folding us a lot when we jam. Imo

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02-17-2019 , 08:22 AM

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How is river well played? Not being toxic, genuinely wondering. I guess you want hero called, to which I’d say a smaller bet is way more effective. Villain is lol-folding us a lot when we jam. Imo

It's only 30bbs, makes it awkward I think if we go smaller.

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02-17-2019 , 08:27 AM

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Mat Kuehs

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Originally Posted by BornToRun

Fair enough, looks like the population are 3betting 6% from BB in total based on OP's stats, I'd imagine it would be higher vs SB. Still think calling pre is fine.

Yeah you're right, i just had a look in HM2 and looks like BB 3b is around 9-10%.

So yeah guess i don't mind the call as much, my fold to resteal is probably super exploitable but then I'm not really to concerned about being exploited.

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02-17-2019 , 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BornToRun

It's only 30bbs, makes it awkward I think if we go smaller.

Virtually 40BBs. There’s 2 overs to hands were trying to make call

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02-17-2019 , 08:30 AM

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Virtually 40BBs. There’s 2 overs to hands were trying to make call

Don't see how 31bbs is virtually 40.

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02-17-2019 , 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BornToRun

Don't see how 31bbs is virtually 40.

You are right I am wrong

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02-17-2019 , 09:03 AM

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Ojune

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with a psb it's a check or shove, no betting smaller

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02-17-2019 , 10:36 AM

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ChipsNcrisps

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not sure what to think of pre given his tight 3betting stats and the fact that he is 50bb

I think shoving the flop might be the way to go, ap agree with Ojune shove or x. Mostly xcalling weaker Tx, AT/Jx can jam river

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02-17-2019 , 11:06 AM

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Brokenstars

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pre is wtvr, but vs 50bb stack and weird 3b size you're likely better off folding

I think a nice sized bet on river is good

Last edited by Brokenstars; 02-17-2019 at 11:14 AM.

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02-17-2019 , 02:53 PM

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RalphWaldoEmerson

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Originally Posted by SneakyPirana

How can shoving flop ever be gto here? Will never extract value from worse, and only called by better.

GTO is more complicated than you think...when short stacked here it makes some sense to shove mptk that needs a lot of protection (tons of straight draws with overcards in V's range). It's a combination vbet and protection bet.
You realize we get called by AK/AQ every time and have 70% against those combos, right?
And when we are behind we usually have outs.

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02-17-2019 , 03:08 PM

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AngryDingo

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solver likes check/call ATo here 100%, and low frequency raises with ATs with backdoor flush.

also if you give it the option to donk turn its shoving all AT on this specific turn

i gave pretty tight ranges, OOP gets 88-TT, ATo-AQo, ATs-AQs. IP i gave it 77+, AJo+, ATs+,QJs, KJs+.

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02-17-2019 , 03:53 PM

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RalphWaldoEmerson

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interesting, thanks for running.
donk turn on a blank does seem chill.

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02-17-2019 , 04:00 PM

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AngryDingo

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Yeah it's basically donk jamming anything it got to turn with. Any pair (even A4), and kq too

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