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02-21-2019 , 01:59 AM

DooDooPoker

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NL Holdem $0.25(BB)
HERO ($29.2) [VPIP: 24.1% | PFR: 20.9% | AGG: 32.8% | 3-Bet: 14.4% | Hands: 97682]
UTG ($25.85) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HJ ($113.64) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
CO ($32.96) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
BTN ($30.24) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 100% | AGG: 33.3% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
SB ($55.08) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]

Dealt to Hero: J

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Raises To $0.75, SB Folds, HERO Raises To $3.10, BTN Calls $2.35

Hero SPR on Flop: [4.14 effective]
Flop ($6.30): 5

HERO Bets $3.15 (Rem. Stack: 22.95), BTN Calls $3.15 (Rem. Stack: 23.99)

Turn ($12.60): 5

HERO ?

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02-21-2019 , 02:24 AM

BornToRun

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What's your 3bet range here?

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02-21-2019 , 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BornToRun

What's your 3bet range here?

AJo and 88 are 50/50. Suited connectors are the same. Then all the good stuff + suited broadways are 100%.

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02-21-2019 , 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

AJo and 88 are 50/50. Suited connectors are the same. Then all the good stuff + suited broadways are 100%.

It's not a great turn for us then, I'd x/c this combo.

x/r could be interesting as well.

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02-21-2019 , 04:02 AM

michaelorcharlie

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Check turn for pot control
Check evaluate river (mostly call if V bets on us) on Q/K/7/3
Bet half pot on rest of rivers.

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02-21-2019 , 04:45 AM

ionutd

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I cb range bit bigger 2/3
and think AJ can keep betting or x/r, depends if you also x/r JJ+
would rather x/c worse J but idk, all 3 options look ok to me, just don't x/f

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02-21-2019 , 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by michaelorcharlie

Check turn for pot control
Check evaluate river (mostly call if V bets on us) on Q/K/7/3
Bet half pot on rest of rivers.

Has nothing to do with pot control.

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02-21-2019 , 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BornToRun

It's not a great turn for us then, I'd x/c this combo.

x/r could be interesting as well.

I feel like population doesn’t stab with showdownable hands OTT. What’s your experience? I think x/c is good with weaker Jacks and maybe even KJs but I cooler so many Jx I think I want to bet this combo.

Thoughts on sizing? Also can we agree flop is a range bet?

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02-21-2019 , 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ionutd

I cb range bit bigger 2/3
and think AJ can keep betting or x/r, depends if you also x/r JJ+
would rather x/c worse J but idk, all 3 options look ok to me, just don't x/f

I ran a solve OTF for sizing and it liked both 1/2 and 3/4 PSB for my range here. It slightly preferred 1/2 pot but you’re right that this specific combo benefits more from bigger sizing OTF.

Yeah I’m never folding hah. I think I’d always bet QQ-KK, maybe do all 3 with AA.

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02-21-2019 , 08:20 AM

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Don't think we need them to be stabbing with SDV to make turn a x.

We're going to want to do a lot of checking on this turn, so I think checking this a lot supports our x range well. I think betting some small % is fine too. If we bet I think we should make it quite big.

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02-21-2019 , 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

What did your solve say for turn?

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02-21-2019 , 08:39 AM

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What did your solve say for turn?

It likes mostly betting and some XR AI. I think population checks back turn too often so I should just bet myself.

I need to run a solve for sizing though, no clue what is optimal.

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02-21-2019 , 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

It likes mostly betting and some XR AI. I think population checks back turn too often so I should just bet myself.

I need to run a solve for sizing though, no clue what is optimal.

x back turn is fine for us as we're not getting three anyway.

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02-21-2019 , 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BornToRun

x back turn is fine for us as we're not getting three anyway.

Yeah that’s true. If we had QQ here do you go for 3 streets?

I’m trying to find a correlation to SPR and bet sizing. Haven’t stumbled upon anything yet but I think there is something to it.

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02-21-2019 , 08:52 AM

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Absolutely.

The only real in-game correlation would be the idea of getting stacks in. Which wouldn't really have much to do with GTO, it's just a simplification.

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02-21-2019 , 09:45 AM

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+1 x/c. Not sure about having a raising range here.

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02-21-2019 , 12:26 PM

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ChipsNcrisps

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half pot probably isnt a thing on this texture

Turn we can either bet small or xc/xr. Turn pretty easy street to play as long as you dont fold

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02-21-2019 , 03:38 PM

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Bet small and get calls from 77-TT and jack combos (way more than you think, a lot of players will call JTo pre)
Bet most rivers small again if you get called

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