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Bluff raised turn, pull trigger on riv? Bluff raised turn, pull trigger on riv?

12-10-2017 , 08:02 AM
PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 253 BB (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 7.06, 3Bet Preflop: 2.94, Hands: 87)
SB: 129.7 BB (VPIP: 45.45, PFR: 27.27, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
Hero (BB): 107.3 BB
UTG: 127.4 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 22.73, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 22)
MP: 251 BB (VPIP: 35.29, PFR: 35.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
CO: 90.7 BB (VPIP: 32.26, PFR: 9.68, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 31)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q T

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 2 A K
Hero checks, CO bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

Turn: (14.5 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, CO bets 7 BB, Hero raises to 23.4 BB, CO calls 16.4 BB

River: (61.3 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, CO checks
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12-10-2017 , 08:43 AM
What are you trying to rep on that turn? And when he calls what are you putting him on?
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12-10-2017 , 08:47 AM
A2, K8, 22, 88. An ace or better.
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12-10-2017 , 09:01 AM
I'm folding or 3betting pre.

As played I am folding the flop, we have nothing but 4 outs to the nuts and even if a Q or T hits it doesn't help us. I'm not bluff raising the turn as he raised pre, bet and bet so his range is uncapped and the board hits his range hard. If you are bluffing the turn and the river bricks (and it was pretty bricky - straights and flush draws missed) you have to commit on the river, half pot will get draws to fold but you probably beat them anyway.
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12-10-2017 , 09:17 AM
Bad bluff board against a passive player who is showing aggression. Run away.
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12-10-2017 , 09:40 AM
Pulling trigger on a 32/9 who raised pre, bet flop, bet turn, and called your checkraise?
Either he has a monster, he thinks he has a monster, or he has an average hand and is probably not folding anyway.
Even the turn bluff... Are you trying to rep a set of 2 or something? Trying to rep something doesn't really work unless the player actually cares about your hand at all. If he has a pair he has a pair no matter what you do. Do you have enough information about him to figure that he does? No history between you two, only 31 hands, his stats are often seen in players who call way too much, and he's only buying in for 90bb. As a general rule, all these signs point to "bet them for value only".

Trying to bluff a fishy player that you don't even know well (31 hands) seems a bit random like "I'm gonna bluff this guy because why not", and continuing on the river is just desperate imo
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12-10-2017 , 09:43 AM
ugh I regret posting HUD stats so much and I'll stop now. I don't have HUD open when playing.

I was bluffing because I had no info. I don't need info to have bluffs.
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12-10-2017 , 11:36 AM
Just gonna fold flop because we sort of have 4 outs OOP and villain has a massive range advantage.

Quote:
Originally Posted by emibg
Trying to bluff a fishy player that you don't even know well (31 hands) seems a bit random like "I'm gonna bluff this guy because why not", and continuing on the river is just desperate imo
Agreed. As played, there's no reason to bluff a 32/10 shortstacking fish on a board where we have pretty severe range disadvantage.
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12-10-2017 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Dbk_killer
ugh I regret posting HUD stats so much and I'll stop now. I don't have HUD open when playing.

I was bluffing because I had no info. I don't need info to have bluffs.
Even with no info I don't like it.
He raised pre, two barrels and called your checkraise.
If he's a fish, well we're back to that post above; bluffing him won't work much.
And if he's not a fish, if he's more of a thinking player... He's usually gonna think about his river decision before making his turn one (on the checkraise), unless he's on the autopilot.

So I don't think there will be a lot of "call turn, fold despite the river bricking".
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12-10-2017 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by dajg
I'm folding or 3betting pre.

I hate 3betting QTo preflop, I'd flat QTs as well vs a CO open. We're OOP postflop when called and when we make a 1 pair hand we are often dominated.

I'd much, much rather 3bet 76s-43s and 75s-53s preflop than lower value broadways.

Turn raise is repping 22 88 or combo draws and not much else.

No way am I bluffing this river, we have very few value hands and so we should bluff very rarely. I'd rather bluff missed heart draws (34hh 53hh 54hh JThh QThh) than this.

If I am going to c/r then I'd rather c/r the flop. If we c/r flop and then follow up on the turn with a bet that puts a lot more pressure on him than a turn c/r does and that costs us the same in chips as this did.
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12-11-2017 , 12:20 AM
You don't need hud stats to identify this isn't a good player to bluff. Villain isn't topped to full stack, you can right click his name to see how much tables he's playing, if he's 1 tabling + not full stack= fish. I fold pre, fold flop, fold turn, just fold somewhere in the hand.
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