Decided to call river cause villain could have some 1 card FDs and the price is so good. I think it's should be a fold vs a bigger size.

That's where I get it all a little confusing. Villain's sizing on the river makes it look like he's value betting a Kx and that seems bad cause I'm beating KTs (maybe K9s) and that's it, but he, also, should be betting KQ+ on the flop. Had he used a bigger size it represents a flush much better but he shouldn't have much cause, you know, flop.

Should it be a call either way?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 107.5 BB
SB: 108 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
UTG: 176 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
MP: 469.5 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
CO: 637 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K J

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB raises to 10 BB, fold, Hero calls 7 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 2 players) 3 K T
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (21 BB, 2 players) 5
SB bets 8 BB, Hero calls 8 BB

River: (37 BB, 2 players) 8
SB bets 23.5 BB, Hero calls 23.5 BB

In probably calling.

Is really close because you don't have any blocker of FD.

I think he have some kq, ak.

And some blufs like tt,jj.

In calling anyways.

What he had? Interesting hand. Im in doubt

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I call and take a note

We need to win 28% of the time to break even.

We lose to KT, that’s 2 pair.

Villain should certainly save some fd’s for a checking range. Here I’d probably check Axdd hands like A5dd. Bet fd’s that struggle to win unimproved like 78dd along with combo draws like AQdd that are almost value hands they have so much equity.

But either way villain should think about making sure his check back range can fight for the pot on d and none d turns.

I always like to think about what is the very next hand down that we beat. Is K9 likely to bet twice for value? Seems unlikely.

This looks like bluffs and stronger hands than KJ to me. And at NL2 I’d plump for a value heavy range, folding seems best.


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I'm not a big fan of the flop check. Unless villain is super passive, your hand should be ahead of his checking range on this flop. I only like to check in this kind of spots when I have a card that could lead me to cooler my opponent on some future cards (Like AT in this spot could win a big pot against AQ if an A comes OTT) or when one of my cards is the same suit as the board 2flush since i'm less scared when a 3flush comes out.

If villain ends up calling, I check the turn and fold the river to a bet knowing that he has it 95% of the time and consider a small bet if he checks.

With this line, you only give him one bet when he has it (which he would've gotten had he bet himself on the flop anyway), make him fold his equity hands like AQ, AJ and get an extra street of value from his weaker holdings.

Villain can have some strong flop checks (AA, KK, TT, AK with the Ad) and maybe some NFDs, but he has a few bluffs like AQ/AJ with the backdoor NFD, and some players will think that QQd or JJd is a value hand once you check back the flop and don't raise the turn, so the river seems pretty close. I usually call and take a potentially useful note.

I think you played this hand fairly well. I do think you have to call river though and do expect to see bluffs a reasonable amount of the time. Expect to see AQ/AJ/A2s/A4s and other random crap in his bluffing range here a lot.

I usually check flops IP with these TPWK in 3b pots where I'm the preflop caller. My reasoning is that it's pretty hard anyways to get 3 streets of value from worse pairs and, as mentioned by Arty, villain can still have some strong checks in his range. I like to wait till the turn to value bet and villain might even value bet a hand like QQ or JJ on the turn.

Don't know if it's a good strat though.

If it's a mistake to check back the flop, it's only a small mistake. In most post-flop spots, you want to have some top pairs in your check back range. It's not like you checked back middle set, or something. That would be a horrendous mistake that costs you a ton of EV. KJ on this board can't go for three streets of value, and isn't so vulnerable that you have to bet to protect it, so checking back seems perfectly viable, and might even be mandatory at equilibrium. Something that wasn't mentioned is that you have some underpairs that check back this flop. Since those give villain an incentive to bluff the turn and river (to make you fold hands like 77/66), it's good to have some Kx in your range to take away that bluffing incentive, and indeed to catch the bluffs.

snapcall or go for a very thin-value jam, villain will call you with his thin-value betting range which he is basically repping (QQ, JJ, Tx) with his check OTF and small bet sizes OTT and OTR. You rep a lot of air which is good.

well is not a mistake.

we dont have 3 streets of value we have a weak kicker in a 3b pot, we have position, we can check.

Some strat i have in some spots, is to check with hands i cant make 3 streets of value. So for me in this spot is fine to check.

we can bet to extract value from QQ,JJ maybe TT, but idk.

I think the mistake here is to put villain on a range of only TT+, AQ+ preflop. If thats really his range, we should prob just fold pre. His range should also
sometimes consist of K4s - K9s, every suited Jx down to J7, AJo, QJo and sometimes JTo, any suited A.

If you only think about the nuts, you end up playing scare money and missing out on value.

stop smoking.