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Old 03-25-2019, 12:57 PM   #1
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Heart Blind War 5NLz

I think I should of overbet turn here but oh well, thoughts?

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NL Holdem $0.05(BB)
CO ($7.96) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
BTN ($4.43) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HERO ($11.32) [VPIP: 23.9% | PFR: 20.7% | AGG: 33.3% | 3-Bet: 14.2% | Hands: 112435]
BB ($9.6) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
UTG ($5.65) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HJ ($7.09) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]

Dealt to Hero: 6 A

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $0.15, BB Calls $0.10

Hero SPR on Flop: [31.5 effective]
Flop ($0.30): J J K
HERO Bets $0.15 (Rem. Stack: 11.02), BB Calls $0.15 (Rem. Stack: 9.30)

Turn ($0.60): J J K Q
HERO Bets $0.40 (Rem. Stack: 10.62), BB Calls $0.40 (Rem. Stack: 8.90)

River ($1.40): J J K Q 3
HERO Bets $2.60 (Rem. Stack: 8.02)
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Old 03-25-2019, 01:21 PM   #2
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Re: Blind War 5NLz

I think I like it. We don't have blockers for the diamond draw. AQ should fold as will AdXd so we don't have to chop with them. The scary hands villain may have at this point are obviously KJ, QJ, and AT. Barring that, he should be folding most everything else. I guess maybe he calls with KQ.
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Old 03-25-2019, 01:26 PM   #3
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Definitely a huge war over that $1.40 in the middle.
You know this is a microstakes forum? What a hot shot.
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Old 03-25-2019, 01:33 PM   #4
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I think I like it. We don't have blockers for the diamond draw. AQ should fold as will AdXd so we don't have to chop with them. The scary hands villain may have at this point are obviously KJ, QJ, and AT. Barring that, he should be folding most everything else. I guess maybe he calls with KQ.
Yeah I figured I have good blockers to AT/Jx and donít block FDs. Canít think of any better bluff combos so why not.
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Old 03-25-2019, 01:39 PM   #5
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Re: Blind War 5NLz

seems fine, we block lots of calldowns, unblock diamonds, no SDV, villain range is capped, we have a lot of nuts in range. Think turn overbet makes more sense than 2/3, river sizing seems alright, perhaps a bit smaller even gets the job done.

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Old 03-25-2019, 02:41 PM   #6
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Re: Blind War 5NLz

x/f the flop. You basically have no equity.
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Old 03-25-2019, 02:53 PM   #7
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Re: Blind War 5NLz

I think I'm becoming a nit. X flop. I just don't use overbets often, and don't have a ton of faith in the micro community to fold often enough to make overbets more profitable than a smaller sizing

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Old 03-25-2019, 03:00 PM   #8
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Re: Blind War 5NLz

It's fine
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Old 03-25-2019, 03:05 PM   #9
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x/f the flop. You basically have no equity.
what are your triple barrels here?
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Old 03-25-2019, 03:06 PM   #10
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x/f the flop. You basically have no equity.
That's why we're betting though. We get a few stronger aces to fold and smaller pocket pairs to fold.

Given the texture of the board, I don't think it's bad to x/f and just give up on the hand since broadway cards are a big part of villain's range, but I think there's an argument to keep firing too.
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Old 03-25-2019, 04:46 PM   #11
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Re: Blind War 5NLz

I think I check the flop with most ace highs. It's a weird board, though, and I can't immediately think of what I'd triple as a bluff. Maybe this combo is fine.
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Old 03-25-2019, 04:50 PM   #12
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That's why we're betting though. We get a few stronger aces to fold and smaller pocket pairs to fold.

Given the texture of the board, I don't think it's bad to x/f and just give up on the hand since broadway cards are a big part of villain's range, but I think there's an argument to keep firing too.
I understand the argument of why we can triple hands with low/no equity, I just think in practice it's not needed much in these bvb situations OOP, especially in the fast-fold games. It's much easier (and cheaper!) to just ATS w/ the right hands and if that fails and you don't flop any/much equity to quickly move on to the next hand rather than attempting to blow someone off a hand for a large number of bb's when they may never fold even second pair bvb.

I mean, I understand that theoretically we should have both the range and/or nut advantage on a flop like this, but in practice people will snap call even a 1.5x overbet on flops when they should essentially be folding nearly range.

So it often just works out to just throwing good money after bad, when your main purpose was a cheap steal attempt. I've watched a ton of solid winning players' at 200z+ on Twitch justcheck folding w/ no/low equity in these bvb spots from the sb constantly rather than upping their variance massively for little or no gain.
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Old 03-25-2019, 05:07 PM   #13
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I understand the argument of why we can triple hands with low/no equity, I just think in practice it's not needed much in these bvb situations OOP, especially in the fast-fold games. It's much easier (and cheaper!) to just ATS w/ the right hands and if that fails and you don't flop any/much equity to quickly move on to the next hand rather than attempting to blow someone off a hand for a large number of bb's when they may never fold even second pair bvb.

I mean, I understand that theoretically we should have both the range and/or nut advantage on a flop like this, but in practice people will snap call even a 1.5x overbet on flops when they should essentially be folding nearly range.

So it often just works out to just throwing good money after bad, when your main purpose was a cheap steal attempt. I've watched a ton of solid winning players' at 200z+ on Twitch justcheck folding w/ no/low equity in these bvb spots from the sb constantly rather than upping their variance massively for little or no gain.
All good points. I totally get the x/f rationale. A lot of this depends on villain and if they're a station, no point going nuts to get them to fold.
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Old 03-25-2019, 05:52 PM   #14
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Re: Blind War 5NLz

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NL Holdem $0.05(BB)
CO ($7.96) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
BTN ($4.43) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HERO ($11.32) [VPIP: 23.9% | PFR: 20.7% | AGG: 33.3% | 3-Bet: 14.2% | Hands: 113071]
BB ($9.6) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
UTG ($5.65) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HJ ($7.09) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]

Dealt to Hero: 6 A

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $0.15, BB Calls $0.10

Hero SPR on Flop: [31.5 effective]
Flop ($0.30): J J K
HERO Bets $0.15 (Rem. Stack: 11.02), BB Calls $0.15 (Rem. Stack: 9.30)

Turn ($0.60): J J K Q
HERO Bets $0.40 (Rem. Stack: 10.62), BB Calls $0.40 (Rem. Stack: 8.90)

River ($1.40): J J K Q 3
HERO Bets $2.60

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Old 03-26-2019, 07:35 AM   #15
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what are your triple barrels here?
In the micros do you guys think we need these kind of triple barrels???

2ndly you guys make a great point. I think I have too many diamond bluffs here and basic bluffs where it blocks his weaker call range and allows only for stronger part so good work everyone

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Old 03-26-2019, 08:24 AM   #16
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Re: Blind War 5NLz

Check turn, you dont need to win every hand.I wonder whats your winrate with your agro style on nl 5. He can have str8 trips. It can be really good line if we expecting he dont slowplay trips and str8. But can we make this read readless hm.
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Old 03-26-2019, 09:32 AM   #17
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Re: Blind War 5NLz

I guess it's fine since you can expect to make Kx fold along with his draws. As for my thoughts, I just wonder how well these types of plays are working for you over all. Your understanding of the game seems too good for 5nl but then every hand I see of yours is something elaborate and a little crazy.
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Old 03-26-2019, 11:18 AM   #18
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Re: Blind War 5NLz

Betting here is fine. I love the flop bet. It entices a raise if his opponent smashed it. In most cases I don’t see a call on the river. Although, the turn beat and call would have told me it’s either a trap or he has TP. The 2.60 beat on the river is just the balls you have lol. At that point it’s either go for it and get raised or he folds.

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Old 03-26-2019, 11:43 AM   #19
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.I wonder whats your winrate with your agro style on nl 5.
he's shared his WR over like a 20+ k sample on 25nl zone, and it was like 20 evbb / 100. I would imagine it's larger on 5nl.
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Old 03-26-2019, 12:15 PM   #20
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he's shared his WR over like a 20+ k sample on 25nl zone, and it was like 20 evbb / 100. I would imagine it's larger on 5nl.
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