Villain on reasonable sample is tight, not nit but tight enaugh to only call with QQ pre, i nearly range stab those flops with this sizing, maybe it's a mistake.... dunno, turn i think is auto, but do we valuebet any 2prs here and what worse is supposed to call us that is not tt given reads and is not this exact hand villain had?

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.10/$0.25 - 5 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $28.33 (113 bb)
CO (Hero): $25.00 (100 bb)
BU: $26.31 (105 bb)
SB: $25.93 (104 bb)
BB: $26.26 (105 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with Q♥ Q♣
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.52, 1 fold, SB 3-bets to $2.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.98

Flop: ($5.25) 8♣ 6♠ 7♦ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.50, SB calls $1.50

Turn: ($8.25) J♦ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5.20, SB calls $5.20

River: ($18.65) 7♠ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $18.65 (Rake: $0.84)

Showdown:
CO (Hero) shows Q♥ Q♣ (two pair, Queens and Sevens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 79%, Flop: 51%, Turn: 70%, River: 100%)

SB shows 9♠ 8♠ (two pair, Eights and Sevens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 21%, Flop: 49%, Turn: 30%, River: 0%)

CO (Hero) wins $17.81

Think against a nit it's fine but apparantly he isn't that nitty so a small valuebet otr is fine too I guess

I like the flop sizing but on this runout it's a clear value shove OTR

If we want value here, I would not shove. BECAUSE, SB is going to fold with that J showing. He might have called if shoved flop.

as for small valuebet... it's hard to balance 2 sizings, becouse we never bluff with small size here, and villain with cc flop always have SDV, especially that flop is awfull for his range, and it's not mistake for him to overfold, from villain POV 89 is better call than aa?

You should only flat the SBs 3bet with queens less then 10 percent of the time so unless your using a RNG I would just simplify and always 4bet. Beyond that I think you played it fine

It's almost certainly a shove. You can run a sim if you want to be pedantic about it

Villain in this sim cc 3 streets with jj-aa and flopped nuts? AJcc and ajss also bet, bet shove?

I can see why you checked back in real time and I think most people would do the same. However in slow time I reckon this can be a bet, if SB has a monster those are getting bet off (or CR) earlier in the hand, AA/KK are often betting the flop, value from AJ/KJ to be had. Don't think checking back is a huge error though.

Had you bet very small I wonder if there would have been enough stack depth for SB to CRAI as a bluff? I think SB line is OK.

4b even if he seems nittier
QQ is way up your range in co vs sb, auto 4b/gii
ye you can prob ship the river
next time don't tell us what he had

ok bro so he just check call 3 times with hands that beat us and all his value hands we beat bet bet bet?? You are just forcing the villain to play in a weird way so you can think not to go for the thin-ish value

I haven't run a sim but u are welcome to.

I didnt run sims, i dont use solvers, just expect 3bettor to near range check flop, now wondering what part of his range is betting turn now, jj what else? qq, diamond draws? if i were villain i would station my kings and aces to river, TBH i would rather shove aj than qq, just for blocking jjj, IMO qq is bottom of our value range, we have all boats and str8, do we turn tt into bluff, dont think so, pure bluffs are only few combos of diamond draws.

Ran it in gto+ cause I think yall are nut balls

Turn is 100% x back. Node locking the big bet, river is 89% x back and 11% jam. V calling range on the jam is a mix of qq+, a few J9/JT a few 89 and a few 99. Seems like a weird spot where because v prefers blockers to bluff catch that makes the qq beat a bunch of catchers, which makes it acceptable at a small frequency

Also just FYI range stab is definitely right on flop, our range is just crushing this board. Gto+ checked like 7% of the time but forget about that

I ran the sim myself and got completely different results. You must have set the sim up incorrectly.

All done without nodelocking

Ranges from zenith

OOP range -






IP range -

(added QQ)

OOP bet sizes - 33,66 flop

IP bet sizes - 30, 66 flop, 33, 66 turn, all in river


Flop strategy -



OP's was the preferred sizing, and QQ stabs about half the time.




OTT, mainly a check but QQ can bet 8% of the time. So betting is perfectly fine.



OTR... pure value shove with all QQ



https://drive.google.com/file/d/1M04...ew?usp=sharing


Here's the link download my sim

I didn't do it wrong lol I used a different parametrization

Your oop range has far fewer 8s and 9s and fewer sets, ip doesn't have the butt end straight draws. And my bet sizes were slightly different, including having an ob range which changes what our river ranges look like. Wildly different results expected.

edit: i may have had rake too high, I didn't realize 25nl was so obscenely different than 5. new solve my flop looks a lot more like yours with 27% checks, but the turn x is still 100% and node locked big bet is jamming river around 50%


also "QQ can bet 8% of the time. So betting is perfectly fine." isn't great advice. on a sample size of 1, betting is far more likely to indicate a leak than strong play. its not wrong, but its only not wrong if you check the other 92% of the time.

ok then post ur set up....

Zenith vs Gto+ when? Any side bets
Siriously, if turn is mostly check with QQ then i understand river shove, we are underreped and QQ played as stab, check then shoving on more than less blank river looks like bluff for villain, so i can understand this, as for flop play, i think ak and aq checks are rather intuitive.
Thx Alph for confiring that 89 kind of blocking value crap are better calls than strong starting hands

Just a beginner here trying to assign some ranges:


Villain's 3 bet range: 99+,AJs+,A5s-A2s,KQs,98s,87s,76s,65s,AQo+ (8,14%)

Villain's check-calling range OTF: 98s,65s,Ad5d,As5s,Ac5c (0,83%)

Villain's check-calling range OTT: 98s,65s,Ad5d (0,68%)


Please feel free to comment and correct me.

Um, I have run sims, and I played with the sims. Villain folded *its a fold in the sims as well). I have learned that value bet does not mean value shove.

For example, flop nut straight, of course we are checking the flop. Villain makes TpTk on turn. Sime wants me to bet huge on river, villain folds. Replay sim, make 1/2 pot or so bet on river, villain calls.

yes, maybe, and yes.

We don't want results. Better to run sims with.

I purchased some ranges, and 98s is not a 3bet. In fact, it should be let go out of the SB.

So, these are simple pre flop ranges strained though PIO. They are designed for GTO play (deviation is okay, but personally, if I deviate with 98s from SB, which I have, I make the call. I intend to bluff the hand from the beginning, dependent on flop. I x/r the cbet with xxy flop, bet big xxyy turn, and shove xxyyz river, getting utg to fold).

How we do these ranges pre, is with our flop play. We are hoping villain makes mistakes. And here, villain does.

Ranges from GTO Wizard solved for 50nl (added QQ at 50% since it's supposed to be 4bet pretty much all the time in this spot)

OOP Sizes

Flop - 33,75
Turn - 33,75,150
River - 33,75,150


IP Sizes

Flop - 25,75
Turn - 33, 66, 120
River - 33, 50, All-In

Solver doesn't really use the larger turn sizing, but when we use it in the sim, it's always shoving QQ on this river. Even if we go with the preferred smaller sizing on the turn, we're still supposed to ship QQ on the river.

It looks like our main bluffs are KQs and then some combos of KTs and QTs

Solver is shoving any J for value, but it's not postflop range against something like 8% SB 3bet you find common on low stakes, but against solver 3bet range of 66+, all axs, half of suited kings and Q's, and a lot of ofsuit broadway, tight player in SB even if he have 89s for board coverage propably dont 3bet k9s or ato, not even mentioning hands like a6. Against something like double digit resteal vs CO we rarely call with QQ in the first place as mentioned.
Anyway, thx for sharing Wizard solve, that jx pushes make sense, 3bettor shouldnt really have many jacks after cc flop and without slowpalying prems pre we dont have any better hands that are not boats or str8's