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02-11-2019 , 03:10 AM
Yeah, there is a zero chance that Pokerstars is cheating you, iggy on the other hand? Who knows
02-11-2019 , 03:16 AM
found OPs old pokerstars account




02-11-2019 , 03:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by knocker
Great thread. Noticed it took a funny trajectory though. OP tells his story, the general consensus is, "this must be a lark, nobody could possibly play that bad." And everybody who said that is probably right. Randomly banging on the mouse buttons couldn't produce results that bad. Yet when the OP claims that the site is somehow screwing him, nobody believes him. Even though it's the only reasonable explanation, other than the original early assessment that he's trolling everyone.
OP is demonstrably playing some very bad poker, assuming this isn’t all an elaborate troll. Some of us are trying to help him play a bit better. At least by all-in equity, he has been somewhat unlucky, although nothing unusual.

If Pokerstars or other sites had come up with a kind of algorithm to fix the game somehow (or do you think they have a team of human overseers fixing the cards?), then don’t you think they’d give you and OP a more enjoyable experience to keep you playing and contributing rake? Is it maybe more likely that poker is a hugely luck-based game, and that humans are notoriously good/bad at picking out patterns in random data, and thinking it can’t actually be random?
02-11-2019 , 04:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by shutdown
found OPs old pokerstars account







WTF HOW!?
02-11-2019 , 04:25 AM
LOL, people still question if this is a troll or not. Of course it is. He cannot lose that much playing like he pretends to play. It is almost impossible.
02-11-2019 , 05:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by shutdown
found OPs old pokerstars account




Holy ****, the legends are true, -300bb/100 is actually possible
02-11-2019 , 06:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ILMCS
LOL, people still question if this is a troll or not. Of course it is. He cannot lose that much playing like he pretends to play. It is almost impossible.
You wanna see my bank account transfers to ElectraWorks limited hundreds of 20 dollars deposits? I think you still won't believe this is true.

And I'm not that Russian guy on Poker Table Ratings. Never played on Stars.
02-11-2019 , 06:27 AM
I'm so puzzled. Knowing rules of poker would seem enough not to loose 3 stacks in 100 hands on average. I mean when I play loosing 3 stacks in 100 hands means some serious coolers and my head is probably spinning in tilt. Now imagining every 33 hands you lose stack ROFL.....
02-11-2019 , 11:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by shutdown
found OPs old pokerstars account




What site is this?
02-11-2019 , 02:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kvnd
What site is this?
Poker Table Ratings. Not working anymore. That's sad because it included accurate information about biggest winners on every stake. Who had won the most on nl2 this month etc.
02-11-2019 , 02:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paisting
You wanna see my bank account transfers to ElectraWorks limited hundreds of 20 dollars deposits? I think you still won't believe this is true.

And I'm not that Russian guy on Poker Table Ratings. Never played on Stars.
I don´t need to see your bank account transfers. All you need to do is upload your overall stats. And because you refuse to do it, tells me you are just trolling.

Like VPIP, PFR, 3bet, F3Bet, CBet ... and most of all "All-in Equity"

All the basic stats.

That is all that is needed. Because I am quite sure you are not a TAG.

Your winnings go down as much as your EV. Your 82 stacks below EV is nothing. So when your EV goes down like this, you get the money in bad almost all the time. You don´t even get suckout. Then your EV would be positive. But it is clearly not.

Even if you are only a 1BB/100 winner. The chance to have such a run are 1 to 755,635,351,322! Yes, no typo. Unless I screwed up an eqaution. But I typed it twice. 1 to more than 755 billion.

So, either show the basic stats, or just go on trolling.
02-11-2019 , 03:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ILMCS
I don´t need to see your bank account transfers. All you need to do is upload your overall stats. And because you refuse to do it, tells me you are just trolling.

Like VPIP, PFR, 3bet, F3Bet, CBet ... and most of all "All-in Equity"

All the basic stats.

That is all that is needed. Because I am quite sure you are not a TAG.

Your winnings go down as much as your EV. Your 82 stacks below EV is nothing. So when your EV goes down like this, you get the money in bad almost all the time. You don´t even get suckout. Then your EV would be positive. But it is clearly not.

Even if you are only a 1BB/100 winner. The chance to have such a run are 1 to 755,635,351,322! Yes, no typo. Unless I screwed up an eqaution. But I typed it twice. 1 to more than 755 billion.

So, either show the basic stats, or just go on trolling.
I will post them immediately after my PT is working again. Because I use beta OS something went wrong after latest update and my PT is not opening. Support is working on it.

I also like to mention that even those nl2 guys won't pay you off if you just waiting for big pairs. Baddest limp caller green guy folds everything but premiums if you just sit and wait top hands. You must play wider that they make mistakes.
02-11-2019 , 04:25 PM
Just a note on your stats:

just the fact that you can't tell the basic stats from the top of your head even though you claim to have a tracker tells me you never really seriously thought about them.

I know my VPIP, PFR, 3Bet from the top of my head dead drunk at 4am in the morning

And the ballpark for most of my other stats at any time of the day. Do you know why I know that? Because I actually think they matter and I am actually trying to get better at poker.

Have you thought about what you open from each position (you don't need the tracker for that)? Tell us. What do you open from UTG, MP, CO, BU, SB? What do you 3Bet vs what position and how much? What do you call a 3Bet with? How do you play premium hands (AA, KK, QQ, AK)?

It seem to me that you are only here on the forum to blow up some steam while you are actually not the least interested in what other (obviously much better) players have to say about your play.

Download Equilab and post your opening ranges. Or at least google for them and go from there.

You can't even imagine how quickly you will see results if you start doing what other players have suggested you do.
02-11-2019 , 05:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BornToRun
Yep, only logical conclusion...

You realise these things can easily be proven through data yeah?
Yeah, that's what everybody tells me. But I've yet to see that data everybody always talks about.

Remember back in 2012, an ancient Mayan prophecy predicted that would be the end of the earth. I asked everybody at the time, to show me that prophecy, show me the exact text. Point me to which manuscript it's in, which wall it's chiseled into, which stone tablet it's inscribed on. Nobody ever could.

Does the data actually exist? Have you seen it? If so, can you direct me to a copy of it?
02-11-2019 , 05:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by knocker
Yeah, that's what everybody tells me. But I've yet to see that data everybody always talks about.



Remember back in 2012, an ancient Mayan prophecy predicted that would be the end of the earth. I asked everybody at the time, to show me that prophecy, show me the exact text. Point me to which manuscript it's in, which wall it's chiseled into, which stone tablet it's inscribed on. Nobody ever could.



Does the data actually exist? Have you seen it? If so, can you direct me to a copy of it?
You realise any serious player has data? That's what hand histories are...

At any moment you can request every hand you've ever played on pokerstars. Do you think a billion dollar company would do that if you could find anomalies.

Wait...why am I even responding to a moronic riggie.
02-11-2019 , 05:49 PM
FWIW I saw this graph posted on r/poker a couple hours after this went up and the OP claimed to have been a troll. Maybe someone stole this person's graph tho.

I still think it's a troll
02-11-2019 , 05:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wonkydonk
OP is demonstrably playing some very bad poker, assuming this isn’t all an elaborate troll. Some of us are trying to help him play a bit better. At least by all-in equity, he has been somewhat unlucky, although nothing unusual.

If Pokerstars or other sites had come up with a kind of algorithm to fix the game somehow (or do you think they have a team of human overseers fixing the cards?), then don’t you think they’d give you and OP a more enjoyable experience to keep you playing and contributing rake? Is it maybe more likely that poker is a hugely luck-based game, and that humans are notoriously good/bad at picking out patterns in random data, and thinking it can’t actually be random?

Pokerstars runs software in their site that detects patterns in your play. They admit that. They have the technology and they use it. That's not in dispute. Why is it so hard to believe that once they have the pattern, they can run another piece of software to exploit it? You asked why they would want to make the experience miserable for us... why wouldn't they? If we never leave and just keep losing tremendous rakes to them, would you stop? Would you get up and leave the table and stop taking my money just to be a nice guy? Would you let me win one once in awhile just to keep me there if I've already proved I'm never going to leave? If we're happy to stay there and lose, they're happy to keep dealing us the cards that will ensure it happens.

I agree with the people who say OP should just quit and go find something he's good at. Maybe he'll find out he's great at restoring old cars. I'd love to see the guy discover something like that and be happy. But I'm going to make a prediction here. Yeah, Op plays terrible poker but I'll make a guess, and I already know I'm right about it. Party Poker is the only site he plays at, and Party Poker knows it. They know he's got no place else to go. And they know he can't bring himself to quit. If Op was to sign up at another site ACR or 888 or someplace else, as bad a donk, nit, fish as he might be, his results would immediately improve at that other site. Then after a month or so playing there, he should go back to Party Poker, I guarantee they lift the cooler on him. He'll still lose because he's a bad player. But it won't be nearly as dramatic.

I'll tell you how I finally came to realize I was right and it wasn't just paranoia. "Pokerstars is out to get me." I was on the typical all day J4, 92, 75 run of starting hands. I played 4 or 5, three table sit&gos, more or less blinded off every time waiting for cards. I played the big $3.30. I actually made the cash but my stats were something like 150 hands dealt, I saw the flop 14 times, won 1 out of 3 and 4 without showdown. But the couple I won were big enough to get me to the bubble. Anyway I decide to go play some 9 seat .2/.5 cash. That's the only place I don't have to pay antes, I can let muck hands go with no penalty. I only have to pay for 2 out of nine.

There's a guy in there, flop hog, calling every other hand, running people over post flop, just like I was doing when my cooler started. He got away with it a bunch of times. Then he got caught a few in a row and cooled down. That's when he types into the chat, "you guys should see the cards I'm playing with." We start chatting...

"Glad to hear it's not just me."
"cards are horrible."
"totally, all it get is 95, and the 9 never hits"
"if the 9 hits you better have three of them."

I knew exactly what he meant by that last statement. When you're on the cooler, the worst thing that can happen is to hit top pair. Your two nines are already beat by a PP, or the turn/river comes A, K and you're dead. When you're on the cooler you watch it happen all day long. That's when I knew it wasn't just me. They were doing it to other people too. That day I played probably 500 hands of poker. I never had a straight, never had a flush, never had trips. I had top pair maybe 10 times, probably 5 of them held up. That's how bad it is when you trigger the cooler. It's not like you guys seem to imagine. Oh it's just kind of a little bit of a bad luck streak. It's Armageddon in every way.

I don't doubt some of you have even experienced it. But you never recognize it for what it is because you believe in Poker Santa Claus. This degenerate gambler, scumbag, who lives in Costa Rica to avoid any regulatory scrutiny, doesn't care in the least about making billions of dollars and how to make even more, who hands out pocket Aces to all good little girls and boys because he's such a nice, decent, morally upright person. I'm not the one who believes in fairy tales.
02-11-2019 , 06:14 PM
Paisting, you need to just quit. I bet there's something else in your life you're very good at. Better than me and everybody else here. Whatever that is, do that thing.

I have an uncle who is a top taxidermist, wins gold medals at shows all the time. Why would he waste one minute not doing that, to play this crap? It makes no sense.

In my case. I'm a very good golfer. I've won my club championship five times. I only play this stupid game in the winter when I can't play golf. If I could play golf right now, I'd be doing that. If you haven't figured out what you're good at yet, play less poker and spend more time looking for it.

Even if the game isn't rigged against you, I want you to be happy, and I wish you the best of luck in trying to find it.
02-11-2019 , 06:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ILMCS
I don´t need to see your bank account transfers. All you need to do is upload your overall stats. And because you refuse to do it, tells me you are just trolling.

Like VPIP, PFR, 3bet, F3Bet, CBet ... and most of all "All-in Equity"

All the basic stats.
OP might have very peculiar pre-flop numbers, but it's by no means certain. When rs03rs03 switched to full ring 2NL, he had normal/nitty stats like 12/9/5. It's just that 90% of his pre-flop raises were all in.
There was also another open shover on Party called waterboat9 or something like that. He played 10/9 and would just ship 100bb with any pair or AK in any position, no matter what the action sequence. For while at least, in my database, he was actually winning.

OP's RFI numbers for each position would likely show up a lack of positional awareness, if nothing else. But you can't tell how often someone is open-jamming just from VPIP and PFR.
02-11-2019 , 06:18 PM
get your party hats out bois

02-11-2019 , 06:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by drakelol
Holy ****, the legends are true, -300bb/100 is actually possible
If I remember correctly, the BB/100 number on PTR actually represented big bets per 100 (as in fixed limit). KP0T0B was actually losing close to 600 big blinds/100.
He was losing almost 12 cents per hand at 2NL.
02-11-2019 , 06:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by knocker
Pokerstars runs software in their site that detects patterns in your play. They admit that. They have the technology and they use it. That's not in dispute. Why is it so hard to believe that once they have the pattern, they can run another piece of software to exploit it? You asked why they would want to make the experience miserable for us... why wouldn't they? If we never leave and just keep losing tremendous rakes to them, would you stop? Would you get up and leave the table and stop taking my money just to be a nice guy? Would you let me win one once in awhile just to keep me there if I've already proved I'm never going to leave? If we're happy to stay there and lose, they're happy to keep dealing us the cards that will ensure it happens.



I agree with the people who say OP should just quit and go find something he's good at. Maybe he'll find out he's great at restoring old cars. I'd love to see the guy discover something like that and be happy. But I'm going to make a prediction here. Yeah, Op plays terrible poker but I'll make a guess, and I already know I'm right about it. Party Poker is the only site he plays at, and Party Poker knows it. They know he's got no place else to go. And they know he can't bring himself to quit. If Op was to sign up at another site ACR or 888 or someplace else, as bad a donk, nit, fish as he might be, his results would immediately improve at that other site. Then after a month or so playing there, he should go back to Party Poker, I guarantee they lift the cooler on him. He'll still lose because he's a bad player. But it won't be nearly as dramatic.



I'll tell you how I finally came to realize I was right and it wasn't just paranoia. "Pokerstars is out to get me." I was on the typical all day J4, 92, 75 run of starting hands. I played 4 or 5, three table sit&gos, more or less blinded off every time waiting for cards. I played the big $3.30. I actually made the cash but my stats were something like 150 hands dealt, I saw the flop 14 times, won 1 out of 3 and 4 without showdown. But the couple I won were big enough to get me to the bubble. Anyway I decide to go play some 9 seat .2/.5 cash. That's the only place I don't have to pay antes, I can let muck hands go with no penalty. I only have to pay for 2 out of nine.



There's a guy in there, flop hog, calling every other hand, running people over post flop, just like I was doing when my cooler started. He got away with it a bunch of times. Then he got caught a few in a row and cooled down. That's when he types into the chat, "you guys should see the cards I'm playing with." We start chatting...



"Glad to hear it's not just me."

"cards are horrible."

"totally, all it get is 95, and the 9 never hits"

"if the 9 hits you better have three of them."



I knew exactly what he meant by that last statement. When you're on the cooler, the worst thing that can happen is to hit top pair. Your two nines are already beat by a PP, or the turn/river comes A, K and you're dead. When you're on the cooler you watch it happen all day long. That's when I knew it wasn't just me. They were doing it to other people too. That day I played probably 500 hands of poker. I never had a straight, never had a flush, never had trips. I had top pair maybe 10 times, probably 5 of them held up. That's how bad it is when you trigger the cooler. It's not like you guys seem to imagine. Oh it's just kind of a little bit of a bad luck streak. It's Armageddon in every way.



I don't doubt some of you have even experienced it. But you never recognize it for what it is because you believe in Poker Santa Claus. This degenerate gambler, scumbag, who lives in Costa Rica to avoid any regulatory scrutiny, doesn't care in the least about making billions of dollars and how to make even more, who hands out pocket Aces to all good little girls and boys because he's such a nice, decent, morally upright person. I'm not the one who believes in fairy tales.
This is amazing Biggest loser in online poker history wants to try last timeBiggest loser in online poker history wants to try last time
02-11-2019 , 06:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by knocker
Pokerstars runs software in their site that detects patterns in your play. They admit that. They have the technology and they use it. That's not in dispute. Why is it so hard to believe that once they have the pattern, they can run another piece of software to exploit it? You asked why they would want to make the experience miserable for us... why wouldn't they? If we never leave and just keep losing tremendous rakes to them, would you stop? Would you get up and leave the table and stop taking my money just to be a nice guy? Would you let me win one once in awhile just to keep me there if I've already proved I'm never going to leave? If we're happy to stay there and lose, they're happy to keep dealing us the cards that will ensure it happens.

I agree with the people who say OP should just quit and go find something he's good at. Maybe he'll find out he's great at restoring old cars. I'd love to see the guy discover something like that and be happy. But I'm going to make a prediction here. Yeah, Op plays terrible poker but I'll make a guess, and I already know I'm right about it. Party Poker is the only site he plays at, and Party Poker knows it. They know he's got no place else to go. And they know he can't bring himself to quit. If Op was to sign up at another site ACR or 888 or someplace else, as bad a donk, nit, fish as he might be, his results would immediately improve at that other site. Then after a month or so playing there, he should go back to Party Poker, I guarantee they lift the cooler on him. He'll still lose because he's a bad player. But it won't be nearly as dramatic.

I'll tell you how I finally came to realize I was right and it wasn't just paranoia. "Pokerstars is out to get me." I was on the typical all day J4, 92, 75 run of starting hands. I played 4 or 5, three table sit&gos, more or less blinded off every time waiting for cards. I played the big $3.30. I actually made the cash but my stats were something like 150 hands dealt, I saw the flop 14 times, won 1 out of 3 and 4 without showdown. But the couple I won were big enough to get me to the bubble. Anyway I decide to go play some 9 seat .2/.5 cash. That's the only place I don't have to pay antes, I can let muck hands go with no penalty. I only have to pay for 2 out of nine.

There's a guy in there, flop hog, calling every other hand, running people over post flop, just like I was doing when my cooler started. He got away with it a bunch of times. Then he got caught a few in a row and cooled down. That's when he types into the chat, "you guys should see the cards I'm playing with." We start chatting...

"Glad to hear it's not just me."
"cards are horrible."
"totally, all it get is 95, and the 9 never hits"
"if the 9 hits you better have three of them."

I knew exactly what he meant by that last statement. When you're on the cooler, the worst thing that can happen is to hit top pair. Your two nines are already beat by a PP, or the turn/river comes A, K and you're dead. When you're on the cooler you watch it happen all day long. That's when I knew it wasn't just me. They were doing it to other people too. That day I played probably 500 hands of poker. I never had a straight, never had a flush, never had trips. I had top pair maybe 10 times, probably 5 of them held up. That's how bad it is when you trigger the cooler. It's not like you guys seem to imagine. Oh it's just kind of a little bit of a bad luck streak. It's Armageddon in every way.

I don't doubt some of you have even experienced it. But you never recognize it for what it is because you believe in Poker Santa Claus. This degenerate gambler, scumbag, who lives in Costa Rica to avoid any regulatory scrutiny, doesn't care in the least about making billions of dollars and how to make even more, who hands out pocket Aces to all good little girls and boys because he's such a nice, decent, morally upright person. I'm not the one who believes in fairy tales.
02-12-2019 , 10:49 AM
You're not the one who believes in fairy tales. You're also not the one so believes or understands basic probability and math
02-12-2019 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by gabl136
You're not the one who believes in fairy tales. You're also not the one so believes or understands basic probability and math

If that only happened to me once, That I played 500 hands of poker and never had better than 1 pair, I would say you were right. But it's not once. It's over and over. It would be every day if I wasn't careful to avoid the trigger. The trigger is to play 6 or 8 muck hands in a row and play them like a mad man. Raise with third pair or air, call any re-raise and bet again on the next street. If you demonstrate a willingness to build pots and increase rakes for the site with muck hands, they will deal you nothing but muck hands over and over.

Being table captain and running wild over the boards for 8 or 10 hands used to be part of my strategy. I'd wait till I won a few then pull the trigger. I used to make money doing it. I still do. But then I want to cool down and go back to playing quality hands. I don't get any quality hands, just j4 offsuit over and over. It happened to me again yesterday. I knew I was taking a chance and sure enough it triggered the cooler. All because I was playing a short term money making strategy against a table that was right for it, at a time that was right for it. I got punished for that.

I'll post a thread about it, you can see for yourself.

      
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