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06-18-2019 , 03:38 AM

misterw95

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Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 125

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - €0.01/€0.02 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: €2.47 (124 bb)
MP: €3.95 (198 bb) (30/25/16/ Agf 3/ call 3bet 70 (7/10 inst.) / 4bet 0 (0/10 inst.)/ WTSD 30/ over 500 hands)
CO: €0.89 (45 bb)
BU (Hero): €2.01 (101 bb)
SB: €0.82 (41 bb)
BB: €3.86 (193 bb)

Pre-Flop: (€0.03) Hero is BTN with 9♠ 9♦
1 fold, MP raises to €0.06, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets to €0.18, 2 players fold, MP calls €0.12

Flop: (€0.39) 6♠ 2♠ 6♦ (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets €0.20, MP calls €0.20

Turn: (€0.79) A♦ (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

River: (€0.79) A♠ (2 players)
MP bets €0.50, BU (Hero) folds

Total pot: €0.79 (Rake: €0.04)
MP wins €0.75

Do you tend to second barrel more on this type of card or with a solid Pocket pair IP you just want to pot control and take this hand to the showdown at a cheap price?

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06-18-2019 , 04:16 AM

silent_poultry

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You could always try underbetting the turn to get a very cheap showdown OTR and I think it should work just fine in this player pool, because people won't be raising you often enough with TP or draws. The way you played it's pretty face up what you have so he could exploit that veery easily but I'm a non-believer when it comes to people thinking this deep on NL2

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06-18-2019 , 05:34 AM

FoldOnce

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Double barrel big any card 2 through 9. On those cards, you probably have the best hand like 90% of the time. An ace makes him a lot of pairs. It's a pretty bad card. Generally I would check back, but there is one other idea. You could bet very small, trying to buy yourself a cheap showdown. They won't play back at you too often since you credibly represent AK/AQ etc.

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06-18-2019 , 05:36 AM

YouBetIcall

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easy fold OTR

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06-18-2019 , 05:41 AM

kewl_cph

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I think it's an interesting spot especially with that runout.

In theory he should probably call the flop with a decent amount of his ace high hands with a backdoor draw. So ace high with the A

and suited aces with

.
Since both the A

and the A

is on the board I see it as somewhat unlikely that he has an ace.
When you also have a flush blocker in your hand I think you should consider a call on the river.

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06-18-2019 , 06:43 AM

andreicos

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Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 1,250

Why are you 3betting 99 vs this Villain ?

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06-18-2019 , 07:16 AM

vini.barbosa

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Originally Posted by kewl_cph

I think it's an interesting spot especially with that runout.

In theory he should probably call the flop with a decent amount of his ace high hands with a backdoor draw. So ace high with the A

and suited aces with

.

Since both the A

and the A

is on the board I see it as somewhat unlikely that he has an ace.

When you also have a flush blocker in your hand I think you should consider a call on the river.

+1 for that.
Think exactly the same.
You could second barrel for thin value, but I see no need on doing that.
Easy X turn to call river IMO.

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06-18-2019 , 07:32 AM

YouBetIcall

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Originally Posted by vini.barbosa

+1 for that.
Think exactly the same.
You could second barrel for thin value, but I see no need on doing that.
Easy X turn to call river IMO.

and he will bluff with what hands?

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06-18-2019 , 08:36 AM

Fleetttt

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Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 550

I see the point about As/Ad on the runout reducing potential Ax combo's in villains range, but he can still have his fair share of them as

1. He may float with non spade/diamond combos

2. He can still have other combos like AxJs/AxQs etc

3. There are other combo's of flushes, 6x and boats to consider

4. We should consider if we play Ax/TT-KK (or other hands that can call river) like this and lean toward those, as we don't want to be calling 100% of our range in this spot when we check back. It could be a huge mistake.

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06-18-2019 , 05:31 PM

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U8MyEdge

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andreicos

Why are you 3betting 99 vs this Villain ?

Should be fine VS active MP range..just is brutal is if we get 4b

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06-18-2019 , 05:41 PM

#11

ULTRACURRY

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You should call the river when you check the turn..

Betting the turn is a polarization issue.. since he will not call worse and 99 is pretty merged on the turn..

your cbetting size was high too.. so because of that.. I wouldn't mind folding the river.. but the field don't intend to adapt their range against 1/2 pot or 1/3..

Then you should call at this limit like NL2-NL16..

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06-19-2019 , 02:31 AM

#12

yasuo

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pretty sure cbet sizing is fine

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06-19-2019 , 06:15 AM

#13

Ojune

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ULTRACURRY

You should call the river when you check the turn..

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06-20-2019 , 10:55 PM

#14

ULTRACURRY

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ojune

Elaborate..
Please.. would love to know why you're all overfolding those runnouts..

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06-21-2019 , 01:16 AM

#15

ionutd

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ULTRACURRY

Elaborate..
Please.. would love to know why you're all overfolding those runnouts..

we're only overfolding if oop always stabs with 55/77/88

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06-21-2019 , 01:39 AM

#16

Ojune

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ULTRACURRY

Elaborate..
Please.. would love to know why you're all overfolding those runnouts..

Because we need to make villain indifferent to checking or betting and he has +ev checks with most of his bluffs (lower pairs). We have to "overfold" or we'll be exploited by someone whom never bluffs.

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06-21-2019 , 03:53 AM

#17

yasuo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ojune

so the equilibrium is that we call/fold with a frequency such that his bluffs would have the same ev as checks?

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06-21-2019 , 04:53 AM

#18

Ojune

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yes that's what we should aim for

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06-23-2019 , 11:32 PM

#19

ULTRACURRY

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ojune

yes that's what we should aim for

Simple MDA.. villain is floating much more than he should in general..
by simplication.. he still has all those lower pairs.. and all missed backdoors..
like QJs, KQs and total garbaje hands that will bet on this river..

Folding this hand while holding a nine of spades is a mistake..

Doens't matter if he shows a better hand.. in general.. against this size.. all bluff catchers are bluff catchers..

I wouldn't mind folding this hand at higher stakes.. but NL2? were the field is overbluffing in almost every hand?

I just can't fold to this bet OTR..

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06-24-2019 , 12:58 AM

#20

YouBetIcall

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ULTRACURRY

I wouldn't mind folding this hand at higher stakes.. but NL2? were the field is overbluffing in almost every hand?

I just can't fold to this bet OTR..

So true, also nl2 is harder then higher limits since no one folds and play crazy!!!

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06-24-2019 , 06:20 AM

#21

Ojune

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ULTRACURRY

No because that would mean villain is bleeding with his floats so he's losing money overall. KQs QJs? lolz.. What is MDA though?

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06-24-2019 , 11:13 AM

#22

TakeItiletyou

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ULTRACURRY

I wouldn't mind folding this hand at higher stakes.. but NL2? were the field is overbluffing in almost every hand?

I just can't fold to this bet OTR..

2Nl is exactly the place where you can make such folds. Against 25nl and up the stakes reg who float and defend wide vs 3bets you can make such calls. Tho given positions i dont see many bluffs in villains range. Woud be much easyer call f.eks SB vs. CO/BU

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06-25-2019 , 03:36 PM

#23

ULTRACURRY

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ojune

No because that would mean villain is bleeding with his floats so he's losing money overall. KQs QJs? lolz.. What is MDA though?

Mass database analysis..

Players have the wrong assumptions that micro limits players are tight players and they never bluff..

And they wouldn't float nonsense hands..

Well.. that is wrong in so many ways that everybody is losing Money in Those spots like OP show It..

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06-25-2019 , 04:53 PM

#24

simplelessons

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Fold with a spade and call without.

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06-26-2019 , 09:07 AM

#25

Ojune

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ULTRACURRY

Again if they float with non sense, they'll get killed by turn bets

I mean you're the one make assumptions here. Namely that they overbluff to justify calling?

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