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not sure why you quote my statement , because you are not really addressing anything i have said.

However i never said dont 3 bet. i never said Flat. i said 3 betting here is not a must and i feel like flatting might be higher ev. thank you

Because saying you cannot calculate the EV of a 50bb fish making mistakes doesn't justify flatting versus a 3bet when the EV of 3betting is higher.
Especially when we are unaware of what mistakes the fish may (or may not) be making in multi-way pots.

Just letting you know why flatting is not going to be higher EV (without even bringing up rake) with regards to your explanation

IMO this position is almost pure 3bet/fold for me

thank you

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07-21-2019 , 09:28 PM

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Zuko

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Originally Posted by 291

Because saying you cannot calculate the EV of a 50bb fish making mistakes doesn't justify flatting versus a 3bet when the EV of 3betting is higher.

but it is not higher!!!!!!!! preflop solver Mix that hand between 3bet / flat. that means the hand has pretty much the same EV for both options.

i do respect that you either 3bet or fold, but preflop solver do have a flatting range on the button vs an EP or MP open (and rake is already included in the calculation).

everybody can play how he wants to play. but argueing about solvers in 2019 ??? i dunno

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07-22-2019 , 02:48 AM

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WorldzMine

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Originally Posted by FreakDaddy

Looks fine. You can argue for a preflop 3-bet.

This hand is an example of why it's a 3bet pre actually. You don't want to end up playing multiway like this and end up getting stacked by bullshxt.

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07-22-2019 , 02:50 AM

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WorldzMine

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Originally Posted by 291

Preflop is a 3bet, especially 5 handed. We don't want to go multi-way, we don't want to pay rake, we want to be aggressive and uncap our range. (this hand is a perfect demonstration of the dangers of flatting and going multi-way, not to be too results orientated but it's just harder to win hands multi-way.)

Turn, probably have to call but feels like 99% of the time we are behind in at least one spot. Especially with the Ace

. Calling off is basically hoping SB has a combo draw and pfr has AK/A2.

This exactly.

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07-22-2019 , 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by amazin lazer

that is all well and good, but AQo is also not a hand that likes to encourage multi way pots. It plays much better HU in a RR pot vs OOP capped player than vs 3 other ranges. We essentially flopped the nut board with our hand barring AAQ, and still got stacked as we allowed an OOP in with their equity share.

I try to play without the expectation that I am going to hit the board, and am going to need to win my fair share of pots with aggression. Leveraging position for that purpose is very powerful.

Yep, agree with all this too.

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07-22-2019 , 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by amazin lazer

heros own stats also indicate he is cold calling way too much

I thought the same. I'll quit replying to shxt, because it's mostly "I agree" type things lol

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07-22-2019 , 02:56 AM

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WorldzMine

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Originally Posted by thegibson

There is a lot of shorthanded play (3 or less) due to me playing a sessions early in the morning( 5-630am) before work. Also I have been cold calling alot IP vs those 40/30 and 70/40 player types that play tight vs 3b. I'm working on a new strat though, because I have been getting in some sticky spots lately so it is being worked on.

Just 3bet them w/ a merged range to iso and for value. Just calling causes stuff like what happened in this hand to happen which lowers your overall EV and winrate in general. Not saying you can't flat AQo sometimes IP but it shouldn't be your standard play imo.

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07-22-2019 , 03:35 AM

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One of the reasons I like 3betting so much is that it's just easier to hand read when ranges are more defined. It's easier to bluff/bluff catch. Especially against opponents who don't think about what their own range looks like.

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07-22-2019 , 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by WorldzMine

Yes I was 3b too tight in some spots ( this one for instance) and too wide is others (sb vs steal for instance) but overall a merged range was my adjustment!

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