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NL Holdem $0.25(BB)
HERO ($24.78) [VPIP: 27.5% | PFR: 19.9% | AGG: 32.1% | 3-Bet: 6.1% | Hands: 2454]
SB ($30.66) [VPIP: 18.8% | PFR: 12.5% | AGG: 53.3% | 3-Bet: 7.1% | Hands: 49]
BB ($12.1) [VPIP: 43.2% | PFR: 13.5% | AGG: 26.1% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 38]
HJ ($25.4) [VPIP: 23.3% | PFR: 15% | AGG: 38.1% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 61]
CO ($26.5) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 25% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 21]

Dealt to Hero: A Q

HJ Raises To $0.75, CO Folds, HERO Calls $0.75, SB Calls $0.65, BB Calls $0.50

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.78 effective]
Flop ($3.00): 2 A Q
SB Checks, BB Checks, HJ Checks, HERO Bets $1.81 (Rem. Stack: 22.22), SB Raises To $5.77 (Rem. Stack: 24.14), BB Folds, HJ Calls $5.77 (Rem. Stack: 18.88), HERO Calls $3.96 (Rem. Stack: 18.26)

Turn ($20.31): 2 A Q 7
SB Bets $10.15 (Rem. Stack: 13.99), HJ Raises To $18.88 (allin), HERO Calls $18.26 (allin), SB Calls $8.73 (Rem. Stack: 5.26)

River ($76.33): 2 A Q 7 T



preflop is std i believe

flop i don't like checking this wet of flop. what are your thoughts on sizing?
i cant really fold to x/r because i think SB has A2 in his range and some combos draws that can try to make some fold equity here. EP probably has a weak Ace or combo draw of some kind. i don't like raising flop as i don't know if they will stack off with worse and might only stack off specifically 2pr + sets. plus i have NFD blocker so that discounts some bluff combos which makes me lean towards call

Turn its a brick so im wa/wb but given the price i think there are enough combos of draws in SB range and enough weaker aces in EP range to warrant a call. whats your thoughts?

Flop should be polarized 4-way, so I'd go bigger, like 2.25-2.50. As played, reship flop. You have less than PSB left, only plausible set is 22, if you call and flush comes ott you lose value against Ax and risk folding winner against overplayed Ax or random spazz.

Flop I’m making $2, but the hand is perfectly played IMO.

AQ could be a 3Bet, if SB and BB call too much PF, to avoid multiway pots.

Looks fine. You can argue for a preflop 3-bet.

Preflop is a 3bet, especially 5 handed. We don't want to go multi-way, we don't want to pay rake, we want to be aggressive and uncap our range. (this hand is a perfect demonstration of the dangers of flatting and going multi-way, not to be too results orientated but it's just harder to win hands multi-way.)

Turn, probably have to call but feels like 99% of the time we are behind in at least one spot. Especially with the Ace . Calling off is basically hoping SB has a combo draw and pfr has AK/A2.

I dont see why this board is wet. SB should probably not have raising range here at all one can argue for overfolding in such spot but i never fold my self.

I thought this..debated for about 10 secs before flatting preflop..

Turn was gross, I wanted to just fold but given preflop action even if we block hands we beat theres only 3 combos of set of 2s, 1 combo of AA, 1 combos of QQ,8 combos of AK, 4 combos of AQ and 8 combos of AJ( which is what PFR had btw) so we lose to 5 combos and tie with 4 and beat 16. So we chop or win 4 times as often as we get stacked. At least that was my thought process on the turn

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Well PFR has ever Broadway combo and Ax in his range, SB wont have the top of his range but could easily have some weaker Ax and broadway combos as well. It's not as "wet" as T98 two-tone but then again I would need to post AQo with that flop.

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3-bet pre

this is top of range for us post we losing money if behind.

dunno but from what i know this is not a must 3 bet vs a 3bb MP open. 3 betting is totally fine, flatting imo too, especially with some1 who looks like a fish in the BB. SB probably folds over 90% in that spot.

I am not saying i would fold turn. i have made some crazy folds vs NIT SB cold call check raises in the past, but i have also paid those guys off quite a lot. they rep 3 combos… they have 3 combos…

it's not mandatory to 3-bet, but if we had, sb wouldn't have been able to flop a set of deuces and stack us, and judging by villain in hijack's play, we probably would have stacked him when we take aggressive lines, good things happen, like blowing calling stations off their implieds in the small blind, and isolating punters on A high boards when we flop top 2

not sure if this is the best way to exploit these fish.

SB is a nit from what we see. so he is probably squeezing less than optimal (though he does have a 7% 3 bet… so lets just assume he squeezes too tight). that would be a reason to do some more flatting because on of the biggest issues with flatting is getting squeezed.

BB seems to be loose passive. Being OOP against two players he should do a lot of folding, some squeezing and some flatting. But he will probably mostly neither fold nor squeeze and just call. I feel like giving him the opportunity to make those -ev calls is quite nice. If we 3b BB is probably going to play "closer" to optimal than if we just flat.

so the question is, who is the bigger fish. BB or HJ ? from the stats i would have thought the BB.... obviously that was a trick… Who would have expected the HJ to surprise us with AJ

that is all well and good, but AQo is also not a hand that likes to encourage multi way pots. It plays much better HU in a RR pot vs OOP capped player than vs 3 other ranges. We essentially flopped the nut board with our hand barring AAQ, and still got stacked as we allowed an OOP in with their equity share.

I try to play without the expectation that I am going to hit the board, and am going to need to win my fair share of pots with aggression. Leveraging position for that purpose is very powerful.

heros own stats also indicate he is cold calling way too much

AQ loves a squeeze though... I mean, if the opponent is a tight squeezer we saved some money because had we 3-bet, the squeezer with a tight range AQ loses to would had 4-bet out of the pot. If the squeezer is trigger happy (say, 3-bet 10%) we can 4bet. When you flat a raise, then 4-bet after a squeeze people tend to do stupid things. This might include shipping a hand like 88 (which isn't mega great but lol flippaments), but occasionally they'll shove some hands we dominate too, because our hand looks more like a strange bluff rather than a monster hand. But if he folds to our 4bet (which isn't a bad result with AQ) we just won 15 or so bb, which is nice.

If the table is full of squeezing types I'd rather defend against that by flat-4betting, rather than 3-betting a hand like AQ myself. Most of the time they'll just fold the hand (A6o, JT, K7s or whatever) they would had 3-bet, which isn't what you want with AQ.

There is a lot of shorthanded play (3 or less) due to me playing a sessions early in the morning( 5-630am) before work. Also I have been cold calling alot IP vs those 40/30 and 70/40 player types that play tight vs 3b. I'm working on a new strat though, because I have been getting in some sticky spots lately so it is being worked on.

*edit*
Also I was defending my BB vs LP open way too often. After my first 4k hands I did a review of my stats and noticed it. I've got it figured out now or atleast got the spew under control. I was just defending too many combos. When I started playing again about 3 weeks ago, my first week I used no hud, no database. Just downloaded HHs then after the first week I put my HHs in hm2 and checked my stats, they seemed "OK"..so as I was going through some spots I noticed I was folding alot of hands that had in BB where LP had a big equity disadvantage. Ie they open 96o OTB and I folded J6s in BB. So I made some adjustments and played another week with 3-4 tables still no hud. But I did nightly reviews of the previous days hands ( ignition makes you wait 24hrs for full HHs)Now last week I added hud and saw that I'm CC too wide IP and defend too many BB. Also not 3b enough in blinds vs steal. I was flatting hands I thought would be ahead instead of re-stealing. I will make those adjustments this week and hopefully get those numbers in line. Then I can move to flop, etc.

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No. Just no.

So i sad, when players in the blinds squeeze "less than optimal" (i dont know where squeezing A6o or K7s is optimal or where people do that on a regular basis) . on stars zoom it is not a regular thing. and if that happens it is consider spew. If blinds squeeze less than optimal we get to flat a bit wider otb than we usually we would be.


yes but look at the action sequence. flop x/r, cold call and on the turn 2players are all in and we are still left to act. SB just hit a lucky flop. still not convinced 3 betting here is more +ev and we dont need to deny SB equity share because he most likely folds way too much. AQ plays quite fine vs BB and preflop raise i guess... but that is just my estimate

I just spent 30 mins in crev and using some estimated ranges I came up with AQo as a flat has +0.38EV and as a 3b +.42EV. all of these assume the ranges as follows:

HJ open 24.9%(AA-22,AKs-A2s,KQs-K8s,QJs-Q8s,JTs-J8s,T9s-T8s,98s-97s,87s-86s,76s-75s,65s,AKo-ATo,KQo-KTo,QJo-QTo,JTo)

hero calls 6.64% (JJ-22,AQs-ATs,KQs,AQo)
SB calls 8.45%(JJ-22,AQs-ATs,KQs,AKo-AJo)
to flop....
OR
hero 3b 4.07%(AA-QQ,AKs,T9s,98s,87s,76s,65s,AKo)
SB fold ( for sake of argument and simplicity)
HJ 4b/GII 2.56% (AA-QQ,AKs,AKo)
HJ flat 4.22% (JJ-88,AQs-AJs,AQo-AJo)
HJ fold 18.1% (77-22,ATs-A2s,KQs-K8s,QJs-Q8s,JTs-J8s,T9s-T8s,98s-97s,87s-86s,76s-75s,65s,ATo,KQo-KTo,QJo-QTo,JTo)
Hero GII 2.56% (AA-QQ,AKs,AKo)
Hero fold 1.51% (T9s,98s,87s,76s,65s)

probably hard to visualize but 3b is higher ev slightly..this doesn't include the times SB gets involved and cold 4b or flats some weird range. there are a lot of variables including SB squeezing as well. its really difficult but I think it honestly could go either way. I will do both with this hand depending on villain, in this spot I chose to flat otb, if I were CO for example, I would be more inclined to 3b vs flat.

all in on the turn

i feel this calculation was a waste of time (HJ open is crazy by the way)

you cannot calculate the ev of a weaker player (BB looks like the weaker player here) makeing postflop mistakes like that.

a couple more coolers like this and we wont need a carbon tax

Lol, this is pretty common logic for flatting which is very much mistaken. I wonder what the EV of AQo is multi-way compared to HU (hint, a lot lower). Also the BB has 50bb so implied odds are already decreased (his weakness is diminished the shallower the stack).

AQ as a flat isn't really trapping the fish because the equities MW are gonna be pretty close (so our chances of winning the pot decrease overall even though there is a fish involved.) In the long term we want to be doing all we can to win pots as frequently as possible.

We don't want multi-way action in general. It's not like PLO where you can flush draw over flush draw someone and get a lot of money in. If we get squeezed it's also really bad.

3betting is generally better for a variety of reasons, calling be better if you had someone going nuts behind you with squeezes and then you get to backjam and pick up a lot of dead money.

not sure why you quote my statement , because you are not really addressing anything i have said.

However i never said dont 3 bet. i never said Flat. i said 3 betting here is not a must and i feel like flatting might be higher ev. thank you

You seem like a smart player, so I am not surprised that you figured it out on your own! good idea!

haha this is so good. They should replace Nick Schulman with you next year for the main for color commentary.

very true! I copied wrong range into crev. I don't have many ranges saved in there yet so ive been just copy/pasting from equilab and must of clicked different one. you can see correct range on right and it was adjusted in crev for screenshot.
EV of Call:


EV of 3Bet:









also true! lol