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Another impossible spot - 10NL SBvsBB facing OB Another impossible spot - 10NL SBvsBB facing OB

07-13-2019 , 05:04 PM
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker HUD and Database Software

NL Holdem $0.10(BB)
HJ ($24.83) [VPIP: 23.6% | PFR: 17.5% | AGG: 32.7% | 3-Bet: 5.9% | Hands: 2763]
CO ($7.32) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 17.2% | AGG: 38.1% | 3-Bet: 4.2% | Hands: 67]
BTN ($4.82) [VPIP: 40% | PFR: 10% | AGG: 37.5% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 10]
HERO ($20.19) [VPIP: 26.4% | PFR: 22.3% | AGG: 33% | 3-Bet: 10.8% | Hands: 89439]
BB ($19.82) [VPIP: 27.4% | PFR: 19.9% | AGG: 36.8% | 3-Bet: 12.1% | Hands: 153]
UTG ($10.37) [VPIP: 8.3% | PFR: 8.3% | AGG: 25% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 12]

Dealt to Hero: A T

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $0.30, BB Calls $0.20

Hero SPR on Flop: [32.53 effective]
Flop ($0.60): 9 A J
HERO Bets $0.45 (Rem. Stack: 19.44), BB Calls $0.45 (Rem. Stack: 19.07)

Turn ($1.50): 9 A J 2
HERO Bets $2.30 (Rem. Stack: 17.14), BB Calls $2.30 (Rem. Stack: 16.77)

River ($6.10): 9 A J 2 J
HERO Checks, BB Bets $9.84 (Rem. Stack: 6.93), HERO ?
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07-13-2019 , 05:36 PM
omg $10nl!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He'd shove if he had anything Jx or better. Snap him off like it's nothing.
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07-13-2019 , 05:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by .isolated
omg $10nl!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He'd shove if he had anything Jx or better. Snap him off like it's nothing.
Ballin after ACR finally gave me those rewards points!
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07-13-2019 , 06:08 PM
why do you overbet the Turn makes no sense to me?
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07-13-2019 , 06:22 PM
he will have lots of bluffs on the turn as this is a solid range board, overbetting makes sense with his range advantage. He has literally all nuts on this board, including deuces with his line. Think of AT like TPTK here, as villain should never have AK / AQ

In this dynamic especially BB is going to struggle to defend on this board.
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07-13-2019 , 06:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
Ballin after ACR finally gave me those rewards points!
**** yea

Also curious on reasoning behind the turn overbet. Intuitively I think it's very bad.
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07-13-2019 , 06:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by .isolated
**** yea

Also curious on reasoning behind the turn overbet. Intuitively I think it's very bad.
It's possible but I think Villain has every Ax offsuit combo here besides AK/AQ and to a lesser extent AJ. So I wanted to put his range in a difficult spot since I expect his AJs/A9s to 3bet most of the time PF as well as 99/JJ/AA.

Why don't you like it?
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07-13-2019 , 06:57 PM
with 2 pot, snowie mixes on this turn roughly 50/50 bet/check with this combo. It prefers full pot instead, but I think the same reasoning I gave above probably applies to sizing.

flop is probably split between range and large if you ran through solver.
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07-13-2019 , 07:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by .isolated
Intuitively I think it's very bad.
It's not terrible but it would be much better had we bet 1/3 otf
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07-13-2019 , 07:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by amazin lazer
with 2 pot, snowie mixes on this turn roughly 50/50 bet/check with this combo. It prefers full pot instead, but I think the same reasoning I gave above probably applies to sizing.

flop is probably split between range and large if you ran through solver.
I don't know how I feel about pokersnowie. I think it can sometimes give good insight - but sometimes it makes some awful plays.

I think AQo is always a bet and then AT is a mix.
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07-13-2019 , 07:51 PM
Villain is solid realizing how most of your range just got counterfeit after you OB the turn. That said his OB is a mistake because we are still uncapped. He also needs a ton of bluffs to balance this and I doubt he does. I think we exploit his mistake by just calling with boats+.
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07-13-2019 , 08:18 PM
I think snowie is awesome on flops and turns, and in heads up pots. multi way, and on the river, it makes some big blunders, but I think it is an extremely useful tool to think about the game. I often will plug in flop / turn solutions from a solver into snowie, and it hits it dead on with it's own strat. There were a group of guys that were using it to breakeven at 500 on stars a while back by studying it's strategy heavily, which is quite impressive.

the unfortunate thing about this hand is that we don't arrive at river with many boats that check, I don't think. I think we want to triple barrel 99/22/J9, but these are all the effective nuts, and are not bluffcatchers. The AA / AJ / JJ block too much of villain's value range so also probably benefit from checking, but they also are value checkraises (obviously) so they aren't used to bluffcatch either, so it's hard for us to find enough catchers here. We also don't double barrel Jx on the turn that's not J9 or AJ, the effective nuts, so AT is actually considerably higher up with this line. Probably we can just exploit fold. Villain also has all J9.
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07-13-2019 , 08:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by simplelessons
Villain is solid realizing how most of your range just got counterfeit after you OB the turn. That said his OB is a mistake because we are still uncapped. He also needs a ton of bluffs to balance this and I doubt he does. I think we exploit his mistake by just calling with boats+.
I don't have many hands with a deuce in it. So I don't think most of my range is counterfeited. Just A2/A9 really.

GTO certainly says call here but whats your range for Villain?
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07-13-2019 , 08:49 PM
Puke spot. Like villains bet alot.

Folding here as a default because it is a spot were most underbluff. I would deviate from that when getting reasons to believe villain are capable.
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07-13-2019 , 08:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
I don't have many hands with a deuce in it. So I don't think most of my range is counterfeited. Just A2/A9 really.



GTO certainly says call here but whats your range for Villain?
What I meant was J2, a2, and a9 should be a big chunk of your value range that overbets the turn. Aj, j9, and jj are now reduced in combos as well.

I think his range is Jx and missed diamonds, maybe 22 very rarely, or some random air.

Are you villain?
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07-13-2019 , 08:56 PM
villain's stats are kind of fishy o:

villain should also be 3-betting a lot of suited Jx broadway pre, so he would have to be 1.5 x overbetting some pretty weak Jx with diamonds, as I don't think KJ / QJ / JT should be called on the turn facing this line. Interesting hand.
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07-13-2019 , 08:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by simplelessons
What I meant was J2, a2, and a9 should be a big chunk of your value range that overbets the turn. Aj, j9, and jj are now reduced in combos as well.

I think his range is Jx and missed diamonds, maybe 22 very rarely, or some random air.

Are you villain?
Well I never have J2s because I fold that preflop. I think that is way too loose of an open in the SB- especially on ACR where my opponents are well above average.

No I am really Hero this time hah.

It is a really good bet from Villain regardless of his holding - but this is such an underbluffed spot I should probably deviate from GTO and fold.

I ended up calling. Will post results soon.
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07-13-2019 , 09:03 PM
prediction : villain has Jh9s
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07-13-2019 , 09:29 PM
Prediction: villain has KQdd

edit: didn't realize this was bvb. Leaving it for maximum embarrassment. He has diamonds plus pair/sd a ton considering positions.
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07-14-2019 , 08:13 AM
Results!

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem $0.10(BB)
HJ ($24.83) [VPIP: 23.5% | PFR: 17.5% | AGG: 32.7% | 3-Bet: 5.9% | Hands: 2764]
CO ($7.32) [VPIP: 25.8% | PFR: 18.2% | AGG: 39.1% | 3-Bet: 4% | Hands: 69]
BTN ($4.82) [VPIP: 38.5% | PFR: 7.7% | AGG: 44.4% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 13]
HERO ($20.19) [VPIP: 26.4% | PFR: 22.3% | AGG: 33% | 3-Bet: 10.8% | Hands: 89445]
BB ($19.82) [VPIP: 27.5% | PFR: 20.1% | AGG: 36.8% | 3-Bet: 11.7% | Hands: 156]
UTG ($10.37) [VPIP: 13.3% | PFR: 6.7% | AGG: 50% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 15]

Dealt to Hero: A T

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $0.30, BB Calls $0.20

Hero SPR on Flop: [32.53 effective]
Flop ($0.60): 9 A J
HERO Bets $0.45 (Rem. Stack: 19.44), BB Calls $0.45 (Rem. Stack: 19.07)

Turn ($1.50): 9 A J 2
HERO Bets $2.30 (Rem. Stack: 17.14), BB Calls $2.30 (Rem. Stack: 16.77)

River ($6.10): 9 A J 2 J
HERO Checks, BB Bets $9.84 (Rem. Stack: 6.93), HERO Calls $9.84 (Rem. Stack: 7.30)

Spoiler:

BB shows: T J

BB wins: $24.50

2 outer FTW
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07-14-2019 , 09:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by simplelessons
Villain is solid realizing how most of your range just got counterfeit after you OB the turn. That said his OB is a mistake because we are still uncapped. He also needs a ton of bluffs to balance this and I doubt he does. I think we exploit his mistake by just calling with boats+.
+1

I am not sure but i feel like i see quite a few turn overbets who are over "bluffed" (2nd Barrels) with some random draws where People cant Control their frequencies but once they overbet vs an uncapped range , especially otr i feel like they Always have it. it is like "oh i overbet because you will think i am bluffing and you will call with some bluffcatchers because you think you Need to defend sometimes but acutally i Always have it here you moron, i would never overbet bluff into an uncapped range because i dont really have a strategy here *lol*"

also i would like turn overbet more if we had bet small otf (like ojune said)
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07-14-2019 , 04:14 PM
I'd usually check turn with this since I wanna have some good bet checks in range. I'd just barrel AQ+ for value

Also, wouldn't overbet. I'd just barrel a normal size. Think we can usually get thinner value like that and makes our turn barrels cheaper when we have bluffs like KQ or whatever.

River, does definitely suck. I'd just fold because as others have said, generally under bluffed. I think the whole, villain realises we are counterfeited etc is probably untrue. They probably just have Jx and want to level you into to calling with Ax, 99% ott. Also, if you play a GTO style, you are probably super stationy and they may have noticed.

Can't fault a call though give he definitely gets to river with QTo a lot and probably 3bets pre with the AJ, 99 etc
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07-14-2019 , 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
Results!

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem $0.10(BB)
HJ ($24.83) [VPIP: 23.5% | PFR: 17.5% | AGG: 32.7% | 3-Bet: 5.9% | Hands: 2764]
CO ($7.32) [VPIP: 25.8% | PFR: 18.2% | AGG: 39.1% | 3-Bet: 4% | Hands: 69]
BTN ($4.82) [VPIP: 38.5% | PFR: 7.7% | AGG: 44.4% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 13]
HERO ($20.19) [VPIP: 26.4% | PFR: 22.3% | AGG: 33% | 3-Bet: 10.8% | Hands: 89445]
BB ($19.82) [VPIP: 27.5% | PFR: 20.1% | AGG: 36.8% | 3-Bet: 11.7% | Hands: 156]
UTG ($10.37) [VPIP: 13.3% | PFR: 6.7% | AGG: 50% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 15]

Dealt to Hero: A T

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $0.30, BB Calls $0.20

Hero SPR on Flop: [32.53 effective]
Flop ($0.60): 9 A J
HERO Bets $0.45 (Rem. Stack: 19.44), BB Calls $0.45 (Rem. Stack: 19.07)

Turn ($1.50): 9 A J 2
HERO Bets $2.30 (Rem. Stack: 17.14), BB Calls $2.30 (Rem. Stack: 16.77)

River ($6.10): 9 A J 2 J
HERO Checks, BB Bets $9.84 (Rem. Stack: 6.93), HERO Calls $9.84 (Rem. Stack: 7.30)

Spoiler:

BB shows: T J

BB wins: $24.50

2 outer FTW
Welcome to 10nl. and I was just lol playing 2nl yesterday.
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07-14-2019 , 11:56 PM
like others said, fold our range
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07-15-2019 , 12:35 AM
Not a big fan of turn overbet, I would just bet like 75% on the turn, if u wanna mix in sum overbets u could use AK/AQ for the merge AT seems a bit strange...

AP on the river yikes.. is he really calling a turn overbet with one pair of Jack no draw? Seems suspect. I call.
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