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Am I playing too tight? 2 hands Am I playing too tight? 2 hands

06-17-2021 , 09:15 PM
I just lost more than 2 buy-ins in 481 hands without losing any huge pots. Very frustrating to fold every hand in the session. My hud isn't working so there are no reads.



Sometimes I check that kind of scarish turn, but I rolled high and bet it. I folded without thinking.



Dunno about the flop check. I rolled a low number and went with it. Obv I'm oop so checking can never be too bad. The turn overbet influenced my river decision the most.
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06-18-2021 , 12:55 AM
If you aren't truly aware of the variance that can occur with poker, I don't know how much you should be concerned with "rolling"
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06-18-2021 , 04:37 AM
I think flop is a check in hand one, bet in hand two.
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06-18-2021 , 05:09 AM
1 hand you can mix up on the flop cbetting and cc and cr, 2nd hand turn is nut worst card for us, but if we are calling this tur,n then we propably have to call river too
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06-18-2021 , 07:00 AM
I think first hand was supposed to be played a lot more aggresive, I would bet a more on flop
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06-18-2021 , 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Ramius
1 hand you can mix up on the flop cbetting and cc and cr, 2nd hand turn is nut worst card for us, but if we are calling this tur,n then we propably have to call river too
Why?

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06-18-2021 , 09:26 AM
Hand 1:
I might 3! to 4x IP, 5x OOP
I'm good with cbet sizing
On turn what do you think he is raising here with? 55? 46s? 69s?
I have seen players call 3! pre with 69s and lost a hand similar to this as I didnt have it in any 3! flatting range but it is probably a pet hand.
I would probably X turn as the card isnt great for our range, V called flop and I want pot control here
I'm probably folding to the raise

Hand 2:
Raise flop
Fold turn as played
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06-19-2021 , 12:06 AM
I'd generally say that the first board is not so great for your range, but is likely very good for AA. This means you're probably looking to check flop a lot more, especially as AA doesn't need much protection compared to your other overpairs, but once you decide to bet otf, you kinda have to go with it as a bluff-catcher on the turn. I don't know the numbers, but it looks as though CO has many natural bluffs (flush-draws, straight draws) and is only representing a set of 8 or 7, and 87s, which are both quite unlikely at this point.

The second hand is definitely a bet most of the time otf. When an ace hits, as the preflop aggressor you have so many strong aces, and BB has barely any (all of which are weak as well), so you really want to get value from AK. Bet big and be happy to see a fold. If you had raised big after BB bets, you would have been more pot-committed to make the decision ott a little simpler. AP I think you have to look to fold some amount of the time without a club in your hand. I would probably look to fold to the second barrel a lot.

Don't take my word for it though, I'm not very good at this game lol
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06-19-2021 , 06:44 AM
Hand 1:

If you're folding to a raise, then you're bluffing. AA is too strong to bluff with. Bet/Fold is not a line you should be taking with this hand. If you will fold to a raise, you need to check behind. Fundamental concept: You want to bet with a polarized range that makes your decisions simple: If you're value betting, you can call or reraise. If you're bluffing, you can fold. Here you are overplaying your hand.

Hand 2:

Top pair top kicker. Out of position. Two to a flush on the board.

Either check-raise or cbet the flop. The backdoor flush draw probably tilts it towards check-raising. You want to end hands quickly out of position.

If you're check-calling, then I question why you checked with this hand in the first place. You're giving your opponent free reign to bully you off your marginal holdings as you check, if you won't even raise a hand this strong. You have the stronger range as well. I would also use big bet-sizing(out of position).
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06-20-2021 , 05:42 PM
Thx for all the replies. I bought a cheap gto tool. It's not the best, but it allows me to see another opinion.
1st hand we can do some checking on flop or turn. If we do bet both streets, it doesn't want to fold any overpairs, though the ev is like 0.3. Enough to make folding ok, but I have a feeling some aggro people (fish or good regs) have abused me recently and made me fold too many good hands. So basically if I'm not ready to get the stacks in with such a good hand as AA, then I should do a lot of checking.
2nd hand it would play the same way. The whole range is checking flop a lot. I saw a youtube video on something similar. Sb is so ahead of bb's range that it doesn't matter if they see another card. On the river solver wants to only call AK with club suits.

So maybe I'm playing ok but have just faced ugly variance. The uncertainty has just made me feel very miserable. Studying without any gto help has been too hard for my stupid brain. Asking on the forums helps, but I need guidance for thousands of similar hands before I finally I get it, and I don't want to spam my posts everywhere. It's also clear I should mostly stay away from using rng and only use it in spots I have studied beforehand.
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06-21-2021 , 12:48 AM
-2 buyins in 450ish hands isn't that bad. Sometimes you just don't hit your cards.

In hand 1 I'm pretty sure you should x turn and plan evaluate on the river. Your hand doesn't benefit from growing the pot (villain has nut advantage) and you have position, which means you want the higher SPR.

As played (betting the turn), I think you should call. That turn looks a lot scarier than it is (specifically, they shouldn't have any straights in range). It's definitely not great for you: they have the nut advantage, and while you have significant showdown value you are not nutted, but you should have the equity advantage and you want to get to showdown.

Villain has a TON of drawing hands too. Villain might be overbluffing this spot, and you could maybe even autoprofit calling here? I'm not sure. But I'd say def not a fold.
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06-21-2021 , 12:50 AM
Also yeah, don't worry about RNG yet. I personally try to keep strategies pure for the most part (way easier than implementing mixed strategies, and I'm nowhere near good enough that spending the time to implement mixes would be cost efficient ). I've heard some pros say this too
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06-21-2021 , 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by wannabe2700
I just lost more than 2 buy-ins in 481 hands without losing any huge pots. Very frustrating to fold every hand in the session. My hud isn't working so there are no reads.



Sometimes I check that kind of scarish turn, but I rolled high and bet it. I folded without thinking.



Dunno about the flop check. I rolled a low number and went with it. Obv I'm oop so checking can never be too bad. The turn overbet influenced my river decision the most.
Hand1: u cant bet fold turns with overpairs in 3 bet pot especially when flush doesnt hit and u have aa, he can easily have smaller overpair or some draw, yes sometimes ur beat but ur not dead and remember u dont need to be good more than 50% of the time to call start studying pot odds and how they work.

Hand2: Default is cbet but chk sometimes also, u played it good up until river, like the sometimes cc flop, on river its perfect spot to call, i can see him overbluffing a lot here with offsuit broadways with a club so u not having k of clubs imois much better for u because hes gonna bluff with that a lot, a lot of suited stuff also 3bets pre, a5with a 5of clubs would be best blufff catcher though because it blocks q5 j5 flush type and unblocks his broadways one club bluffs, again u need to be good 33% on river to call and i think ur more thn that. Playing this style bvb will make u a very tough opponent, bvb ranges are wide people overbluff very easily

At first glance can already see ur leak is not understanding pot odds correctly and u making bad folds because u focus too much on how u feel like u feeling ur not good more than 40-50% so easy fold.

Last edited by Itachi1234; 06-21-2021 at 07:43 AM.
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06-21-2021 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by benku
-2 buyins in 450ish hands isn't that bad. Sometimes you just don't hit your cards.

In hand 1 I'm pretty sure you should x turn and plan evaluate on the river. Your hand doesn't benefit from growing the pot (villain has nut advantage) and you have position, which means you want the higher SPR.

As played (betting the turn), I think you should call. That turn looks a lot scarier than it is (specifically, they shouldn't have any straights in range). It's definitely not great for you: they have the nut advantage, and while you have significant showdown value you are not nutted, but you should have the equity advantage and you want to get to showdown.

Villain has a TON of drawing hands too. Villain might be overbluffing this spot, and you could maybe even autoprofit calling here? I'm not sure. But I'd say def not a fold.
My database has lost some hands, but if you want a bigger sample, then 84k hands, -3 EV bb/100. When I first came back to poker I didn't fold much. Slowly I stopped calling their c-raises and all-ins with just a pair when they always just seemed to have it. But recently I have gotten c-raised so much, that I started wondering if I'm overfolding.

You have the conclusions on hand number 1 as I have. Check flop or turn or don't fold.

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Originally Posted by benku
Also yeah, don't worry about RNG yet. I personally try to keep strategies pure for the most part (way easier than implementing mixed strategies, and I'm nowhere near good enough that spending the time to implement mixes would be cost efficient ). I've heard some pros say this too
Yeah using rng makes you do some stuff a solver would never do.

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Originally Posted by Itachi1234
Hand1: u cant bet fold turns with overpairs in 3 bet pot especially when flush doesnt hit and u have aa, he can easily have smaller overpair or some draw, yes sometimes ur beat but ur not dead and remember u dont need to be good more than 50% of the time to call start studying pot odds and how they work.

Hand2: Default is cbet but chk sometimes also, u played it good up until river, like the sometimes cc flop, on river its perfect spot to call, i can see him overbluffing a lot here with offsuit broadways with a club so u not having k of clubs imois much better for u because hes gonna bluff with that a lot, a lot of suited stuff also 3bets pre, a5with a 5of clubs would be best blufff catcher though because it blocks q5 j5 flush type and unblocks his broadways one club bluffs, again u need to be good 33% on river to call and i think ur more thn that. Playing this style bvb will make u a very tough opponent, bvb ranges are wide people overbluff very easily

At first glance can already see ur leak is not understanding pot odds correctly and u making bad folds because u focus too much on how u feel like u feeling ur not good more than 40-50% so easy fold.
I disagree about your thoughts about hand 2 river spot. I prefer calling only with a club in my suits. Even though it blocks some of his bluffs it will also block some of his flushes.

There's nothing to understand about pot odds. They don't matter if villains never bluff in some spots.




I played a few sessions with my new strategy of not folding everything. So far the results haven't been splendid. I got into 3 scary spots.





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06-21-2021 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by wannabe2700
My database has lost some hands, but if you want a bigger sample, then 84k hands, -3 EV bb/100. When I first came back to poker I didn't fold much. Slowly I stopped calling their c-raises and all-ins with just a pair when they always just seemed to have it. But recently I have gotten c-raised so much, that I started wondering if I'm overfolding.

You have the conclusions on hand number 1 as I have. Check flop or turn or don't fold.


Yeah using rng makes you do some stuff a solver would never do.


I disagree about your thoughts about hand 2 river spot. I prefer calling only with a club in my suits. Even though it blocks some of his bluffs it will also block some of his flushes.

There's nothing to understand about pot odds. They don't matter if villains never bluff in some spots.




I played a few sessions with my new strategy of not folding everything. So far the results haven't been splendid. I got into 3 scary spots.





There is no such thing as never bluff, there are underbluffed spots and overbluffed spots
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