I know you've probably read countless of posts like these (mostly from delusional fish), but I need you to be open minded on this one.

I've been playing poker (almost exclusively live) for about 7-8 years now.
I didn't start as a winning player of course but I quickly got hooked and been studying the game since the beginning. I've been winning consistently in home games and casinos for as long as I can remember.
Before the pandemic I was playing for a living for 2 months in Spain, crushing 1/3 and was about to move up to 2/5 before everything closed.

However, every single attempt to transition to online poker was met with excruciating bad runs that made it impossible for me to succeed.
I've been reviewing hands and going over everything and it always seems to come down to epic coolers and bad beats.

I don't even know why I'm writing this post, probably just to vent or something. I'm in the midst of my ~5th go at online poker, and the same thing's happening.
Playing 25NL, I know you're gonna say online is different than live, I've been making the necessary adjustments every time...

does anyone have anything helpful to say? Have you experienced this yourself?

How many hands have you played lifetime? I was watching a Bart Hanson video the other day and he was talking about how he has played 15000 hours of live poker, at 30 hands an hour, that is 450k hands.

That is nothing. A lot of live players that "crush" do it over 5-10k hand periods which online players know means almost nothing when you consider variance.

I'd get yourself a membership to Runitonce and a solver and start studying more. You don't know what you don't know. Posting hands on the forum helps as well.

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I dont know much about live poker but enough that it takes very long to get a decent sample size. Obv if you have an insane bb/100 over a smaller sample of 5-10k hands? it will be an indicator of you being atleast a winning player.

Some crazy people play 5-10k hands in a session online.

A big thing to consider is that online you really need to play quite tight, and you can't cold call really at all unless you're in the big blind. This is a huge difference in online vs. live, because if you never do this live you're just gonna lose your mind from boredom.

Do you have stats from online? VPIP? PFR? c-bet? If you don't, that's a huge part of your problem. Edges are generally a lot smaller online than live, so things that don't really affect your hourly at live 1/3 could be huge at 25nl

^ BTN, too, but yeah, cold calling LJ-HJ and SB with crush you online

sure

don't assume your adjustments are correct. study > play > study. that's how you get to be a winner.

+1, I did not notice that you just said you had been making correct adjustments with no explanation (obviously they're not correct if you're not winning)

When I first came back to poker I definitely overestimated my own ability. Once you start studying and properly analysing your database you quickly find major leaks. Most live games (at least smaller stakes like you've mentioned) are a doddle compared to online IMO.

1/3 live is worse than 0,01/0,02 online.

NL25 is much, much harder then any live game up to 5/10.

For some reason my boogy stake online is 10NL. I have a solid winrate at 5NL but always struggle when I take shots, sometimes have short term wins (like this last shot) but they never last . A few years ago, before I stopped playing, I took successful shots at 25NL but struggled at 10NL (after crushing 5NL). It's like some sort of mental block at this point I think .

Not necessarily true, though I'm willing to bet OP probably isn't making correct adjustments if he's a live player

Sadly everyone assumes im clueless. I've used upswingpoker course a while back, studying every detail of it.
I play on Gg network. The website has hand history including a "luck meter" made up of 6 levels of luck, I got the worst run on 2 different accounts over the course of months.

I'm open for criticism, if someone could point me to leaks to search for in poker tracker, I would truly be grateful.

The only leak I've noticed is I'm calling too many river bets I shouldn't (Leak tracker shows nothing unusual).

tougher to run good against good players

Nobody said you're clueless. Even after studying, I'd bet that you're not making the correct adjustments because most players don't.

Post stats like vpip/pfr/3b/open by position/cb etc etc in the stats thread that's stickied.

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Posting HHs and stats will quickly show if your adjustments are correct. A luck meter says nothing about if you played well. I guess its those that see how often you loose with sets and better. Who knows if you show down too many sets+ when its obv you should fold them OTR?

I'll preface by saying that I don't play on GG, so your mileage will vary.

It's most likely things you're rationalizing that are killing you, especially online. Like others have said, the skill difference (even accounting for the megafish online) is surreal vs live players. Since you're not being super-specific about leaks, other than stating that "there all mega-coolers, dood..." *Dave, that's a tell* Here's some things I did wrong when I started online--I'm positive that you're not making any of these, so this is just for someone else who may have stumbled on over here:

1) You're playing way too loose preflop. Your VPIP in a full ring is probably over 30.

2) You're probably never folding to 3!'s/not paying close attention to sizing.

3) You're cBetting for the sake of it and not when the board hits your range.

4) You're playing OOP too much.

5) You're floating too much.

6) You'll fire flop and turn and "give up on the river." (This isn't always terrible, but sometimes, especially online, you need to pull the third trigger. Bluffing is worse than it used to be, but it's still okay if it makes sense).

7) Speaking of bluffing, you're probably doing that wrong. Some of these guys are going to call, all the time. I'd save most of my big-timey bluffs for NL100+

8) You're muttering things at your screen like, "...He doesn't have it" instead of "He probably has at least X combos of Y, and sometimes Q of Z, But I'm ahead of..."

9) You're not laying down hands that typically get you paid live (TP, Sets, et al.) when it's painfully obvious that you're beat. 77 on a 567r board, Hero bets .5 pot, Villain jams 45x pot. Hero fist-pump calls. Alright, lame example... but I see hands all... the... time... where some feller will call off his house on 4-across because aces. Same applies to jamming JJ on a 9-hi board after a 4! pre.

10) You're multi-tabling. (I haven't played on GG, so idk if that's a thing). If you are, you should probably cut back or stop. Not forever, just until you get the fundamentals down. This is triple true if you're coming from live.

Live vs Online might as well be a different game. In part because it moves faster, but mostly because it requires you to have a solid foundation before you can do anything. Having a solid foundation is good for live too, it's just not as critical. It's exponentionally easier to print money live than it is online imo. Competition isn't fierce, no one is really trying to improve, a lot of guys play poker like they play blackjack... Some of them are only there by accident. Everyone online, even the bad ones, are there intentionally.

A lot of other guys have said the stuff about sample size/variance/... Personally, I don't dogmatically follow that bullshit, but there's occasionally some truth to it. Live is more social and exploitative... Online is a grind. That's more than a euphemism. The way you profit is by out-grinding the other guy. Most of the time it comes down to discipline, and that's important to remember.

I know you said you took an "Upswing Course" a while back... How much do you remember from that?

If you keep with the "omg I'm such a krushah live..." conjecture, you're not going to get much benefit from posting here. Not for nothing, but those guys who didn't do anything wrong usually did.

OP you sound like you’ve got a victim mentality tbh. People offer advice and you react with the clueless comment. You’re almost certainly just not as good as you think you are. Watching videos on a training website won’t help if you’re studying in the wrong state of mind.

If you were genuinely just unlucky then you’d ride the variance, knowing you’re getting it in good and it’s just a downswing. I highly doubt that’s the case though.

I see where you're coming from, really. Amongst my poker group I'm known to have a strong mental game, but this is been my longest downswing so I guess its getting to me.

I'm gonna keep playing and then send stats when I have a decent sample. I got a new computer and lost nearly all my old histories, got 10K hands on this new computer. I think it's too little to be worth posting here but let me know if you think I should.

P.S: Havick thanks for putting the time to write those. I can relate to calling hands like sets when its obvious I'm beat, that's the leak I'm working on.

Well I've seen insane bad beats live, that doesn't mean anything. If it's just variance and you play well things will improve. Post some hands here and ask for advice.

Looks just like my first post here after years of live play. I am reformed thanks to the forum. Keep coming back man. It works if you work it.

Thanks, that's encouraging. I'll keep doing my best and will post stats here once I get like 50K hands.

Post hands you’re unsure of as and when they happen. There’s no need to wait until you have a large sample. A misplayed spot is a misplayed spot regardless of if you’ve played 10 hands or 100,000 hands.

You can just post your vpip/pfr/3bet now. It’s pretty easy to broadly see if those things are wrong after 1,000 hands or so

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Just post them now. 10k is more than enough for these stats and some interesting hands. Better to post now and start working than to potentially do stuff completely wrong for 40k more hands.