AKs in 3bet pot, should we cbet? - Micro Stakes Pot Limit and No Limit

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 18.52, PFR: 7.41, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 27)
Hero (SB): 101.2 BB
BB: 103.5 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 22.04, 3Bet Preflop: 10.59, Hands: 250)
UTG: 106.1 BB (VPIP: 20.42, PFR: 17.80, 3Bet Preflop: 9.33, Hands: 196)
MP: 305.4 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 37)
CO: 221.5 BB (VPIP: 31.34, PFR: 20.90, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 70)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, Hero raises to 14.2 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 11.2 BB

Flop: (32.4 BB, 2 players) 8

Hero?

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07-21-2018 , 12:54 PM

losted

stranger

Join Date: Jul 2018 Posts: 5

With 2 overs and a backdoor flush draw, I think I put AsKs here in my check call range. I think you have enough equity there. Im betting any overpair for value and my bluff in my 3bet range as... a blufff.

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07-21-2018 , 01:12 PM

.isolated

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Originally Posted by losted

So what do you have when you x/c if you never x/c KK/AA here?

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07-21-2018 , 01:31 PM

mycorrhizae

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Originally Posted by .isolated

So what do you have when you x/c if you never x/c KK/AA here?

Do you need to be balanced at .05/.10? I'd prob x/c with the higher overpairs cuz you're easily getting barreled into by worse overpairs, but it seems valid to just bet your good hands 99% of the time when it's against an unknown and you think it'll maximize EV in that one hand.

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07-21-2018 , 01:34 PM

.isolated

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Originally Posted by mycorrhizae

Do you need to be balanced at .05/.10?

In some spots, yes. I'd argue that this is one of those spots since it comes up so often and any player with a brain's going to put you on AK/AQ/8x otf and play very well, if not perfectly, against it.

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07-21-2018 , 03:18 PM

losted

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Originally Posted by .isolated

I agree.

But you Cbet AKs here or not if you c/c sometime with AA-KK?

And do you cbet AKo?

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07-21-2018 , 03:40 PM

WorldzMine

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Originally Posted by mycorrhizae

Do you need to be balanced at .05/.10?

Yes, absolutely on WPN.

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07-21-2018 , 03:43 PM

WorldzMine

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Originally Posted by losted

I agree.

But you Cbet AKs here or not if you c/c sometime with AA-KK?

And do you cbet AKo?

You should mix it up w/ x's or bets w/ the big pairs and the AK type hands, they should esp be bet if you use a small sizing on the flop, and sometimes a larger sizing. Essentially, all your actions w/ every type of hand should be random so that no one has a clue what you're doing at any point in any hand.

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07-21-2018 , 06:11 PM

Mark89er

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cbet

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07-21-2018 , 07:13 PM

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yonis9

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Originally Posted by .isolated

You can be balanced by checking here AA and sometimes KK. Dont you think that the board hits villian range more often, and for that reason we should check more of our range?

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07-21-2018 , 08:20 PM

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pokrr

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Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 659

C-bet and c-bet at least 2/3 pot. 1/2 pot c-bets get floated too much here imo.

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07-22-2018 , 12:08 AM

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compton2014

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I tend to disagree with a Cbet. I find that players, call a pre flop raise AND call the 3 bet, with hands like 99-JJ far more often than A10+, QQ+ hands. So I would be putting villain on a medium to strong pair the majority of the time, and therefore they are going to be calling a Cbet 100% of the time on this flop. We have some equity against those hands, but would argue we are mostly losing on the flop to his call raise/call 3bet range.

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07-22-2018 , 12:15 AM

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.isolated

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Originally Posted by compton2014

Contradicting yourself in a sentence is impressive.

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07-22-2018 , 12:37 AM

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compton2014

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Originally Posted by .isolated

Contradicting yourself in a sentence is impressive.

Calling a cbet 100% of the time when the majority is true. And not calling a cbet when the majority is false.

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07-22-2018 , 12:39 AM

#15

pokrr

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Originally Posted by compton2014

You’re right. I didn’t notice vil wasn’t initial raiser. Yes, I check here also.

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07-22-2018 , 12:43 AM

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compton2014

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Originally Posted by .isolated

Contradicting yourself in a sentence is impressive.

You sound smart though. Pointing out minor logical flaws in sentences as opposed to reading between the lines and giving the benefit of the doubt has to be a rush of blood to the head.

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07-22-2018 , 12:48 AM

#17

compton2014

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Originally Posted by .isolated

Contradicting yourself in a sentence is impressive.

Also if you can read sentence construction, my point of calling 100% of the time is an extension of "having a strong pair the majority of the time." They aren't mutually exclusive.

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07-22-2018 , 01:18 AM

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.isolated

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oh you triggered.

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07-22-2018 , 01:26 AM

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compton2014

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Originally Posted by .isolated

oh you triggered.

Yeah, I triggered. People who think they are smart for dissecting small imperfections in wording will always bother me. Mostly because they think they are intelligent/clever for pointing out a minor error. Not sure why you think you are smart or something for pointing that out.

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07-22-2018 , 01:28 AM

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compton2014

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Originally Posted by .isolated

oh you triggered.

You are like the proverbial guy who think he's smart because they are smarter than the dumbest person in the room. I'm sure you have a killer hourly job.

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07-22-2018 , 02:00 AM

#21

WorldzMine

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I still say you should mix it up between cbet and x/c. Just don't fold unless they pot it or something.

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07-22-2018 , 02:05 AM

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WorldzMine

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Originally Posted by pokrr

C-bet and c-bet at least 2/3 pot. 1/2 pot c-bets get floated too much here imo.

You want them to continue by calling w/ a weaker range some % of the time when they call 1/3 to 1/2 pot. That's the point. Betting 2/3 pot is the nut worst option. When they do call~~~>they will be much stronger in general which is much worse for your hand in general.

People who make these big azz bets on dry boards are regfish. Your purpose in betting isn't to get people to fold most flops with a cbet, it's just a great bonus when they do and you have A high. The purpose of a cbet is to protect your whole range while signaling that you have the stronger range in situation Z

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07-22-2018 , 07:32 AM

#23

DrRobotnit

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Guy looks nitty fishy, has all the sets, overpairs. We are actually folding out marginal equity ie QK etc while getting called by every better hand. However, my guess is that betting small should yield better eV than check or big bet

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07-23-2018 , 01:34 AM

#24

straddle_me

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Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 842

think it supposed to be a mix. No one has suggested ch/r yet (or I didn't see it) but this should be done sometimes as well I believe (and with AA/KK).

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07-23-2018 , 01:44 AM

#25

Slugas

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I AA KK AK check/call. it is no draw board.

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