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08-19-2019 , 09:46 AM
Hey guys, i am new to poker and i'v just started playing NL 0.01/0.02 in ps, i recently found it is hard for me to play AK in 3bet pots when i missed the flop in the meantime, and here are two hands, please help me and tell me if i was wrong THANK YOU!

1st hand:6 max
MP 104BB (10/0 in 10hands)
CO 101.5BB (12/11 in 97 hands)
BTN 100BB
HERO 224.5BB
BB 79BB
UTG 55BB
HERO: posts small blind 0.5BB BB: posts big blind 1BB

Pre flop (1.5BB):hero has AK
UTG: folds MP: raises to 3BB CO: calls 3BB BTN: folds HERO: raises to12BB BB: folds MP: calls 9BB CO: calls 9BB

FLOP (37BB)diamond:8T4
HERO: checks UTG(villain): bets 26.5BB CO: folds HERO: folds

2nd hand:6 max
MP 100BB(12/10 in 50 hands)
CO 104BB
BTN 91BB(51/7 in 72 hands)
HERO 397.5BB
BB 58.5BB
UTG 101.5BB
HERO: posts small blind 0.5BB: posts big blind 1BB
PRE FLOP:(1.5BB) HERO has:Aheart:K
UTG: fold MP: raises to 3BB CO: folds BTN: calls 3BB HERO: raises to 11BB BB: folds MP: calls 8BB BTN: folds
FLOP(26BB) 956
HERO: checks VILLAIN: checks
TURN(26BB) spade:956T
HERO: checks VILLAIN: bets 16BB HERO: calls 16BB
RIVER(58BB) spade:956T6
HERO: checks VILLAIN: bets 73BB and is all-in HERO: folds

same villain in these two hands

Last edited by zachkaka; 08-19-2019 at 10:15 AM.
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08-19-2019 , 09:53 AM
Fix the format
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08-19-2019 , 10:02 AM
Both boards are bad for your 3b range so you are looking to check it down mostly and folding to aggression, especially in hand 1 since you are 3ways on the flop
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08-19-2019 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by kontost
Fix the format
sorry it is the first time for me to post hand and i tried to fix it but it seems still has some little problem and i can't edit it again
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08-19-2019 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 2019fish2019
Both boards are bad for your 3b range so you are looking to check it down mostly and folding to aggression, especially in hand 1 since you are 3ways on the flop
what cards can be played like this? in the first hand, over pairs like JJ QQ? or sets? KK AND AA may 4bet preflop. and in the second hand over pair and sets may bet flop? so what kind of cards could he has? like 9Ts? the villain is tight and i am not sure he would open cards like 9Ts. maybe like AJ or AQ?
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08-19-2019 , 11:00 AM
In first hand UTG has pretty much a psb behind on the flop and he should be shoving, not betting like 70% of his stack so hes clearly a weaker player. He could show up here with so many hands that have you beat like any set, pocket pairs two pairs etc.

I missed that MP is a nit in H2 but that should also ring alarm bells in your head when he calls your 3bet pre, something like 99-QQ, T9 and flushdraws make sense yeah
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08-19-2019 , 02:57 PM
in h1 you'l be checking that flop a lot with a strong, protected range and they'll be owning themselves more than enough times when they run into your TT+ x/r , esp if they use these ridiculous bet sizes

h2 it's +ev to cbet big on low boards as the oop 3bettor mainly because of him missing often from ep and having to massively fold broadways and the fact that you have AA/KK/more QQ and he doesn't
ap fold turn
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08-19-2019 , 03:53 PM
H1 is played pretty decent. We have terrible position. We made a big raise on pre and both players decided to stay in. In a multiway pot, I think we could play fit or fold and just give up.

H2 however is a different hand. It makes me think AK is not the problem per se, but playing without a plan is much more of a problem. Before we 3bet, we should ask our self why we are 3betting. Do we want them to fold or do we to build a pot? What are we going to do if our 3bet gets raised? And if it gets called, what will we do on the flop?

If we have no intention to Cbet when we miss on the flop, I think we are much better of calling pre.

Personally, I would Cbet the second hand close to 100% of the time because there is not much that could have hit his hand. He may call with a lot of AX hands, but there is a fair chance you can check the hand out. And if he decides to toss in a bet or a raise, you know you are probably beaten and can safely throw your hand in the muck.

It is NL2, I assume you don't depend on the money in your BR, so dare to invest and make mistakes. Put in a Cbet, try a Check/raise and see what happens. Try to take hands to showdown and see with what kind of hands people make certain plays. Fail and learn. Yes, you may feel like a donk. People might even tag you as a fish, but don't care about that. Learn, learn, learn
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08-20-2019 , 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by DutchChap
H1 is played pretty decent. We have terrible position. We made a big raise on pre and both players decided to stay in. In a multiway pot, I think we could play fit or fold and just give up.

H2 however is a different hand. It makes me think AK is not the problem per se, but playing without a plan is much more of a problem. Before we 3bet, we should ask our self why we are 3betting. Do we want them to fold or do we to build a pot? What are we going to do if our 3bet gets raised? And if it gets called, what will we do on the flop?

If we have no intention to Cbet when we miss on the flop, I think we are much better of calling pre.

Personally, I would Cbet the second hand close to 100% of the time because there is not much that could have hit his hand. He may call with a lot of AX hands, but there is a fair chance you can check the hand out. And if he decides to toss in a bet or a raise, you know you are probably beaten and can safely throw your hand in the muck.

It is NL2, I assume you don't depend on the money in your BR, so dare to invest and make mistakes. Put in a Cbet, try a Check/raise and see what happens. Try to take hands to showdown and see with what kind of hands people make certain plays. Fail and learn. Yes, you may feel like a donk. People might even tag you as a fish, but don't care about that. Learn, learn, learn
yeah you're right, i know i 3bet AK mostly for making them fold, and in such situation like hand 2, i checked because i was oop and wanted to see what the villain would do, but i think i really lack of a plan on it.And i just lost some big hands before because i wanted to see their hands and i found my hand is mostly beaten when they raised or bet overpot in the turn or river, and maybe people in microstake games just don't bluff enough in turn or river? i also admit that i'am a little afraid of paying for it though the stake is micro, again,your advice sounds reasonable and thank you again!
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08-20-2019 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ionutd
in h1 you'l be checking that flop a lot with a strong, protected range and they'll be owning themselves more than enough times when they run into your TT+ x/r , esp if they use these ridiculous bet sizes

h2 it's +ev to cbet big on low boards as the oop 3bettor mainly because of him missing often from ep and having to massively fold broadways and the fact that you have AA/KK/more QQ and he doesn't
ap fold turn
why should fold in turn? After he checked the flop and bet turn seeing me check again, it seems that he could has nothing or just some drawing here?
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08-20-2019 , 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by zachkaka
why should fold in turn? After he checked the flop and bet turn seeing me check again, it seems that he could has nothing or just some drawing here?
he's going to show up with too many mid to strong pairs when he flats pre out of hj. certainly more than the broadways that decide to bet and that you can call a bet against. and then there are a lot of ugly rivers you are forced to x/f

adjust his range given the action pre and you'l see he very rarely has "nothing"
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