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Old 05-12-2017, 04:42 AM   #1
JacRankCrabb
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Advice Needed Please

Can you please give me some feedback on the way I played this hand. Thanks.

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 108 BB (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
Hero (SB): 166.5 BB
BB: 140.5 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
UTG: 97 BB (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
MP: 52.5 BB (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
CO: 335 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T J

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 5 BB, BB calls 4 BB, BTN calls 3 BB

Flop: (15 BB, 3 players) 5 T 6
Hero bets 10 BB, BB raises to 34.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 24.5 BB

Turn: (84 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero bets 127 BB and is all-in, BB calls 101 BB and is all-in

River: (286 BB, 2 players) 5

Hero shows T J (Two Pair, Tens and Fives)
(Pre 39%, Flop 4%, Turn 0%)
BB shows T T (Full House, Tens full of Fives)
(Pre 61%, Flop 96%, Turn 100%)
BB wins 276 BB
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Old 05-12-2017, 04:50 AM   #2
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Re: Advice Needed Please

3b bigger pre. I would go 4x original raise, others have said between 3-4x original raise.

Flop I think is close but a call with the BD outs though I know I'll be folding a lot of turns. Villain's size is quite big too so read-dependent I might just fold there.
EDIT: I think I might x/c the flop myself. Not sure though, it's still early here.

No idea what you're doing OTT. You might need to provide some explanation of your thought process if you can get anyone to help you there.
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Old 05-12-2017, 06:15 AM   #3
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Re: Advice Needed Please

Thank you my thought process is that maybe I could force villian to fold. Thanks for you input.
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Old 05-12-2017, 06:34 AM   #4
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Re: Advice Needed Please

In which case top pair with a bad kicker is far too strong to bluff with. Youre also getting snap called by all overpairs and - because of the way you played it - better Jx+. When bluffing i think its important to try to think about what exactly in villain's range you want to fold.

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Old 05-12-2017, 08:02 AM   #5
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I like the 3bet pre over a call and a fold, but it needs to be bigger. With the raise from the villain otf I would be looking to check/call the turn and river to smaller sized bets, and throwing it away to larger ones. The lead ott was a poor play. You are pushing off all worse hands and getting called by many better ones.
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Old 05-12-2017, 08:09 AM   #6
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Re: Advice Needed Please

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3b bigger pre. I would go 4x original raise, others have said between 3-4x original raise.

Flop I think is close but a call with the BD outs though I know I'll be folding a lot of turns. Villain's size is quite big too so read-dependent I might just fold there.
EDIT: I think I might x/c the flop myself. Not sure though, it's still early here.

No idea what you're doing OTT. You might need to provide some explanation of your thought process if you can get anyone to help you there.
This. Basically.
Raise bigger pre. your bet sizing on the flop is good. maybe you can even go a little bigger because this is a fairly wet board. I'm also ok with calling the raise because the fact that the board is so wet means that V can potentially have a lot of semi-bluffs.
you should be looking to fold on a lot of turns tho. especially any heart, 4 or 9 because those fill out the most obvious draws. i would be looking to call another street if the turn is a club, T, or J. the problem is even if you make trips or 2 pair, you still have very little equity against a flop set, which represents a big chunk of the value part of his range when he raises you OTF. The problem when you turn a club is stack sizes. flush draws are really only valuable when they give you implied odds. with the stack to pot ratio being so shallow on the turn, you're not getting anywhere near the correct odds to draw to a runner-runner flush on the river.
your turn lead is terrible. there is no reason to play out of flow here. he took the last aggressive action on the flop, and with this board texture you should always be checking to him. when you shove all in you are only getting worse hands to fold and better hands to call. the only worse hands that will ever call you are hands that have a lot of equity against you. for instance a big combo draw, or the nut flush draw with two over cards.
when the turn comes a 9, i'm done with this hand. yes you have top pair, but villain is telling you a story that he can beat top pair. you can find plenty of other better spots to get your money in.
good luck. hope this helped a little.
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Old 05-12-2017, 11:11 AM   #7
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Re: Advice Needed Please

Flat pre, call down.

Edit, just saw BB flatted the 3b. Still, flat pre, call flop and maybe turn.
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Old 05-19-2017, 01:18 PM   #8
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Flat pre, call down.

Edit, just saw BB flatted the 3b. Still, flat pre, call flop and maybe turn.
Disagree with flatting pre. Doing that just prices in the BB and then we have to play OOP to 2 players. Would rather 3b pre to realize our fold equity and be able to rep strength when we miss the flop. If you watched any of DNegs coverage of the PokerStars high-roller all-stars they were 3betting all SCs from the small blind.

I think we should be checking that flop 3way OOP. Not many worse hands can call and no better hands fold.

AP, when he raises flop his range looks something like this, assuming QQ+ and AK cold 4bet pre: JJ-TT,66-55,AhQh,AhJh,AhTh,Ah9h,Ah8h,KhQh,KhJh,QhJh which gives us 26% equity. We need 33% equity to call the raise so we should fold.
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Old 05-19-2017, 01:46 PM   #9
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^ probably also to do with not having a capped range on the flop which is less of an issue here.
Agree with the rest of it, and I think it is just generally better to raise this pre.
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Old 05-19-2017, 01:55 PM   #10
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I would prefer to flat this hand preflop. I would definitely not be making this hand a big bet hand Vs the BB who has been playing fairly tight so far. I think you way overplayed your hand here.
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Old 05-19-2017, 02:33 PM   #11
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Bigger sizing pre, I would go for 4x. Flop cbet seems fine and on a board that wet I'm probably calling the raise and x/folding to aggresion on a brick OTT.

Shoving is an awful idea, his sets and 65 are most likely calling, his 87 got there, and everything he folds you are probably beating already, maybe at most he folds QT or KT. You are turning a top pair hand into a bluff against a villain that already showed strenght.
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:11 PM   #12
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Disagree with flatting pre. Doing that just prices in the BB and then we have to play OOP to 2 players. Would rather 3b pre to realize our fold equity and be able to rep strength when we miss the flop. If you watched any of DNegs coverage of the PokerStars high-roller all-stars they were 3betting all SCs from the small blind.

I think we should be checking that flop 3way OOP. Not many worse hands can call and no better hands fold.

AP, when he raises flop his range looks something like this, assuming QQ+ and AK cold 4bet pre: JJ-TT,66-55,AhQh,AhJh,AhTh,Ah9h,Ah8h,KhQh,KhJh,QhJh which gives us 26% equity. We need 33% equity to call the raise so we should fold.
I guess if you don't have a SB flatting range and that is your strategy to 3b all SC, it's fine to 3b then.

Lol, I don't think comparing a high roller all star and 2NL is a valid comparison.
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