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09-18-2020 , 04:33 PM
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NL Holdem 0.10(BB)
BTN ($16.04) [VPIP: 23.8% | PFR: 18.7% | AGG: 35.6% | Hands: 6738]
HERO ($24.99) [VPIP: 24.5% | PFR: 21.4% | AGG: 35.3% | Flop Agg: 41.2% | Turn Agg: 28.6% | River Agg: 31.8% | 3-Bet: 10.9% | Fold to 3-Bet: 56% | 4-Bet: 16.4% | Hands: 311423]
BB ($12.35) [VPIP: 31.5% | PFR: 21.9% | AGG: 66.7% | Hands: 81]
UTG ($27.84) [VPIP: 17.3% | PFR: 7.3% | AGG: 32% | Hands: 114]
HJ ($10.89) [VPIP: 21% | PFR: 18.5% | AGG: 46.9% | Hands: 1456]
CO ($16.02) [VPIP: 23.2% | PFR: 12.5% | AGG: 36.7% | Flop Agg: 35.7% | Turn Agg: 30% | River Agg: 50% | 3-Bet: 4.3% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 57]

Dealt to Hero: A A

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $0.28, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $1.14, BB Folds, CO Calls $0.86

Hero SPR on Flop: [6.25 effective]
Flop ($2.38): 6 Q J
HERO Checks, CO Checks

Turn ($2.38): 6 Q J 9
HERO Checks, CO Bets $1.78 (Rem. Stack: $13.10), HERO Calls $1.78 (Rem. Stack: $22.07)

River ($5.94): 6 Q J 9 4
HERO Checks, CO Bets $13.10 (allin), HERO ?
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09-18-2020 , 04:46 PM
Id start building the pot from the flop on. Why did you you check otf? Villain is polarized otr and we block a lot of the flushes they could do this with. Still wouldn't feel good about calling it off here as a TAG opponent shouldn't be doing this with just TPTK on this run out.
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09-18-2020 , 04:59 PM
Why would villain be betting this much for value? Hero hasn't given any indication he has a hand that can call a river overbet, which makes me think that's exactly why villain is overbetting and that villain is actually doodoo and hes wondering how hero could possibly make this call w AA. Hero calls because the line makes no sense unless you have the nut flush, which you cant have here. Non nut flush would've bet flop.
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09-18-2020 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by SharkytheFish
Id start building the pot from the flop on. Why did you you check otf? Villain is polarized otr and we block a lot of the flushes they could do this with. Still wouldn't feel good about calling it off here as a TAG opponent shouldn't be doing this with just TPTK on this run out.
I range X monotone boards OOP for simplicity. I don't think we lose much EV and it is easier to play.
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09-18-2020 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by YanasaurBBQ
Why would villain be betting this much for value? Hero hasn't given any indication he has a hand that can call a river overbet, which makes me think that's exactly why villain is overbetting and that villain is actually doodoo and hes wondering how hero could possibly make this call w AA. Hero calls because the line makes no sense unless you have the nut flush, which you cant have here. Non nut flush would've bet flop.
I'm not Villain in this one
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09-18-2020 , 05:23 PM
Call.
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09-18-2020 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
I'm not Villain in this one
In that case, villain can have flushes even though it doesn't make sense because he looks kind of fishy even though its a small sample. If villain is you its a call obviously but since its not who knows. I think the decision on this one would be much more player and read dependent than most.
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09-18-2020 , 05:40 PM
23/12/4

Weak passive players don't bluff.


Nevermind, saw his agg% stat.

Last edited by Boomerx; 09-18-2020 at 05:46 PM. Reason: Saw his agg% stat
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09-18-2020 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
I'm not Villain in this one
In that case, villain can have flushes even though it doesn't make sense because he looks kind of fishy even though its a small sample. If villain is you its a call obviously but since its not who knows. I think the decision on this one would be much more player and read dependent than most.
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09-18-2020 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by YanasaurBBQ
In that case, villain can have flushes even though it doesn't make sense because he looks kind of fishy even though its a small sample. If villain is you its a call obviously but since its not who knows. I think the decision on this one would be much more player and read dependent than most.
Unfortunately I only had 20 or so hands on him at the time - so he is just an unknown.
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09-18-2020 , 07:00 PM
A is actually not an excellent blocker here since Q and J is out there. I would rather have K9s/T9s/JTs if villain can shove worse than a flush. Keep in mind you can be very selective vs a 2x pot shove.

Last edited by Shipnickle; 09-18-2020 at 07:09 PM.
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09-18-2020 , 07:04 PM
My big issue: if his 2x overbet bluffs exist, won’t they have the Ah in them a ton?

Of course I always forget that sometimes I’m up against bad players who will just have tens here and bet “a size you can’t call” as a “bluff”


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09-18-2020 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jdr0317
My big issue: if his 2x overbet bluffs exist, won’t they have the Ah in them a ton?

Of course I always forget that sometimes I’m up against bad players who will just have tens here and bet “a size you can’t call” as a “bluff”


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Not a big issue here. His most likely A hand is AQx, and those combos are top pair top kicker -> wont get bluffed
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09-18-2020 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Shipnickle
Not a big issue here. His most likely A hand is AQx, and those combos are top pair top kicker -> wont get bluffed

So I guess I’m not even sure where his bluffs are coming from. Then again I’m not sure where his value is coming from either. Does he really 2x OB a straight?


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09-18-2020 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by jdr0317
So I guess I’m not even sure where his bluffs are coming from. Then again I’m not sure where his value is coming from either. Does he really 2x OB a straight?


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I'm not sure what's optimal here. But I think villain can bet big/OB with other valuehands than low frequency AThh/KThh/A5hh type hands that decided to slowplay flop. So if villain is supposed to jam other hands than flushes, villain should also find enough bluffs. Villain actually has some AKo so that's one natural bluff with a heart atleast, also TTx.

I've been surprised by the solver before so wouldn't be surprised to see it shove atleast straights too.

Last edited by Shipnickle; 09-18-2020 at 07:29 PM.
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09-18-2020 , 07:33 PM
Why on Earth did u check the flop? You'll get action from numerous hands that you have crushed. Dont like checking here unless villain is someone susceptible to blasting off if given the chance.

Once u start checking, you're pretty much obligated to call down, although the river shove is bizarre because if he planned on bluffing, you'd think he'd start with the flop. What does he have? 99?
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09-18-2020 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SharkytheFish
Id start building the pot from the flop on. Why did you you check otf?
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Originally Posted by de_man
Why on Earth did u check the flop?
OP said he checks range on mono boards to simplify, since you x a shitload on mono boards anyway

Even if he didn't though, this is a great hand to protect your checking range with
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09-18-2020 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Iblis
Call.
1 vote for call. Anyone else?
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09-18-2020 , 09:49 PM
We can't turn our hands into bluffcatchers and fold when nothing changes. Call. Unknowns don't shove their big hands enough when their Villain show disinterest.

And the flop x is totally fine.

DDP, you said you're range x'ing. You check AcAd? KhKs?
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09-18-2020 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by D-Beat
We can't turn our hands into bluffcatchers and fold when nothing changes. Call. Unknowns don't shove their big hands enough when their Villain show disinterest.

And the flop x is totally fine.

DDP, you said you're range x'ing. You check AcAd? KhKs?
Yeah i just check everything. I think a solver might cbet a decent amount here because the Queen and Jack block a lot of flushes but I'm not nearly good enough to do that yet.

Okay 2 votes for call. Anyone fold here?
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09-18-2020 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
Okay 2 votes for call. Anyone fold here?
I could see an argument for folding in my pool where I would expect to always see a flush.
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09-18-2020 , 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
Yeah i just check everything.
I check everything, too. Didn't mean to put you on the spot. I cb so much, that I have to rangecheck somewhere.
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09-18-2020 , 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by newguyhere
I could see an argument for folding in my pool where I would expect to always see a flush.
How often do players check back non nut flopped flushes OTF in a 3bet pot?
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09-19-2020 , 06:00 AM
I'm happy betting on QJX, even if it's monotone
would bet turn ap, mid size+ or at least xr ,prob not jam
idk why you're playing so passive here, it's not a srp, we want to get money in and AA/KK with the heart are great candidates to fast play. good enough on early streets to build the pot or gii, not so good on later streets, this + lower spr and oop = bet
not folding ap but I'd be so pissed if the guy showed me 99
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09-19-2020 , 06:23 AM
It's important to remember that not all monotone flops are the same. 526hhh here is not the same as QJ6hhh, as you pointed out. When getting to mono flops instead of just auto-simplifying entire range to a check, consider first how many of the possible flushes are blocked by the board.

On this one I'd be much happier cbetting than the 562hhh because there's far less possible flushes. Still, the ev diff of checking this or betting wouldn't be a lot I don't think.

River is honestly super nasty, which I think usually means the ev of call/fold isn't going to be massive either way. I think it's somewhat unlikely people are shoving sets or two pairs for this sizing, and somewhat likely they stab flop with OESD. Most auto stab smaller flushes - so he's not repping an awful lot here. That said, so few people have the balls to just rip bluffs here that we probably should just end up folding readless.

An interesting exercise would be to check in Pio if top set is a better catch than AA here (assuming we x turn), and to see whether our removal actually works for or against us. And then come to the conclusion that it's irrelevant anyway because no one at this level is going to know how to construct river range accurately anyway.

Press a button and hate yourself whether you win or lose.
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