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09-20-2018 , 05:11 PM
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NL Holdem $0.10(BB)
BTN ($10.13) [VPIP: 16.5% | PFR: 10.8% | AGG: 21% | 3-Bet: 1.8% | Hands: 921]
SB ($20.33) [VPIP: 40% | PFR: 25.9% | AGG: 29.4% | 3-Bet: 9.4% | Hands: 85]
BB ($13.83) [VPIP: 26.4% | PFR: 22.3% | AGG: 35.8% | 3-Bet: 12.6% | Hands: 784]
UTG ($10) [VPIP: 20% | PFR: 20% | AGG: 33.3% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 27]
HERO ($11.42) [VPIP: 28.3% | PFR: 22.3% | AGG: 30.9% | 3-Bet: 10.3% | Hands: 44744]
CO ($7.67) [VPIP: 24.4% | PFR: 9% | AGG: 37.9% | 3-Bet: 6.1% | Hands: 79]

Dealt to Hero: A A

UTG Folds, HERO Raises To $0.35, CO Calls $0.35, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Folds

Hero SPR on Flop: [8.61 effective]
Flop ($0.85): 5 5 8
HERO Checks, CO Checks

Turn ($0.85): 5 5 8 J
HERO Bets $0.60 (Rem. Stack: 10.47), CO Calls $0.60 (Rem. Stack: 6.72)

River ($2.05): 5 5 8 J K
HERO Bets $1.60 (Rem. Stack: 8.87), CO Raises To $5.46 (Rem. Stack: 1.26), HERO ?
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09-20-2018 , 05:33 PM
Why not bet flop? As played I'd fold quickly.
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09-20-2018 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by afortiori
Why not bet flop? As played I'd fold quickly.
id bet my lower pckt pairs but i mix up my play with AA since it is not very vulnerable. Don't you think a FD bets the flop?
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09-20-2018 , 05:46 PM
My logic would be this is a shortstack who's clicking buttons and I wanna stack him with aces so not betting the flop would make it hard to get all the money in. If it was vs. a competent villain, checking back with bad FDs would be pretty standard to see a free card but we're also cbetting a lot in this spot with air so if anything it's good to bet with all of our value hands.
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09-20-2018 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by afortiori
My logic would be this is a shortstack who's clicking buttons and I wanna stack him with aces so not betting the flop would make it hard to get all the money in. If it was vs. a competent villain, checking back with bad FDs would be pretty standard to see a free card but we're also cbetting a lot in this spot with air so if anything it's good to bet with all of our value hands.
if he's clicking buttons wouldnt they make you want to call?
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09-20-2018 , 05:56 PM
I'm not sure about the river bet. You have flushes and boats in your range that bet/call or bet/shove. Anything worse that you bet is presumably a bet-fold, because villain has flushes and slowplayed boats/quads in his range. I'm not sure if it's correct, but I'm inclined to check-call the river with AA. It's a pretty sick spot because villain might think he can raise KJ for value, if he rules flushes and trips out of your range because of your (probably correct) flop check.
I'd definitely fold to the river raise though. Too many hands beat you, and you've got better hands to call with. (You can show up with KK, JJ, 88 and 55 here, let alone some nut flushes).
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09-20-2018 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
if he's clicking buttons wouldnt they make you want to call?
No because people don't generally raise on this board without a good hand. Not sure if c/c is better but it might make sense for the reasons Arty listed.
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09-20-2018 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
I'm not sure about the river bet. You have flushes and boats in your range that bet/call or bet/shove. Anything worse that you bet is presumably a bet-fold, because villain has flushes and slowplayed boats/quads in his range. I'm not sure if it's correct, but I'm inclined to check-call the river with AA. It's a pretty sick spot because villain might think he can raise KJ for value, if he rules flushes and trips out of your range because of your (probably correct) flop check.
I'd definitely fold to the river raise though. Too many hands beat you, and you've got better hands to call with. (You can show up with KK, JJ, 88 and 55 here, let alone some nut flushes).
What are the reasons for flop check?
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09-20-2018 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
I'm not sure about the river bet. You have flushes and boats in your range that bet/call or bet/shove. Anything worse that you bet is presumably a bet-fold, because villain has flushes and slowplayed boats/quads in his range. I'm not sure if it's correct, but I'm inclined to check-call the river with AA. It's a pretty sick spot because villain might think he can raise KJ for value, if he rules flushes and trips out of your range because of your (probably correct) flop check.
I'd definitely fold to the river raise though. Too many hands beat you, and you've got better hands to call with. (You can show up with KK, JJ, 88 and 55 here, let alone some nut flushes).
so this is the best hand i bet/fold? I probably should of x/c in retrospect but i figured FDs bet the flop most of the time and he only has 7 combos of full houses.
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09-20-2018 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by afortiori
What are the reasons for flop check?
It's really complicated, and I don't fully understand why solvers do it, but it's something to do with villain floating these kind of dynamic boards at a very high frequency, so you can't c-bet very much anyway, and you need to check-call with some strong hands (overpairs) to 'protect' the overcards you're also checking. (Otherwise, every time you check, villain can bet with air and take it down, because your checking range is so weak).
If you c-bet every combo of 99+ on this flop (along with various overcards) and villain floats, the turn and river are really hard to navigate, as the turn will put loads of combos of nutted hands into villain's range, and you don't want to bloat the pot OOP on boards where you're really not sure if you're winning. If possible, I like to take a street off OOP with overpairs on low boards, because it's so hard to triple-barrel for value and get called by worse. Check-calling down stops you ever getting stacked when you're beat, but still gives villain the opportunity to bluff or v-bet with worse.
I kind of have a general rule for spots like this. "If villain will float in position a lot and the turn will more likely connect with his range than mine, be more inclined to check than c-bet". I'm not averse to checking my entire range on this flop, tbh.

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
so this is the best hand i bet/fold? I probably should of x/c in retrospect but i figured FDs bet the flop most of the time and he only has 7 combos of full houses.
I'm not really sure. I think you need to go smaller with your one pairs if you're betting the river. Bluffs can probably work at a lower price too. With the size you chose, it seems very unlikely that villain bluff-raises, and although he doesn't have many value hands, they all beat aces (apart from KJ, which should just be a call, but villain might be overplaying it).

Last edited by ArtyMcFly; 09-20-2018 at 06:26 PM.
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09-20-2018 , 07:51 PM
Fold vs population I think. Could be a call vs someone that you know is *really* good.
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09-21-2018 , 03:09 AM
pretty sure solvers develop xring range on that board...
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09-21-2018 , 06:24 AM
you dont beat what he would consider his value raising range

dont think this player bluffs much or ever

i would fold
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09-21-2018 , 06:25 AM
you really should cb vs fish, nvm balance when you're playing a fish and a cb is THIS profitable. consider the following: does he not continue flop with pretty much everything that called pre? does your hand not crush his calling range? isn't there more money to pick up on a lot of turn and river bets when you start building the pot early? do you know he stabs when checked to?
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09-21-2018 , 06:25 AM
I vote fold. As for checking back the flop, I think it is reasonable to do so some of the time. A lot of players will fold to a c-bet, but once you check they just start barreling their crap. Good to mix it up and figure out which players are doing what.
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