AA line check 10NL - Micro Stakes Pot Limit and No Limit

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NL Holdem $0.10(BB)
BTN ($11.87) [VPIP: 23.8% | PFR: 21.4% | AGG: 43.8% | 3-Bet: 12.8% | Hands: 85]
SB ($18.78) [VPIP: 23.4% | PFR: 19.8% | AGG: 38% | 3-Bet: 9.2% | Hands: 395]
BB ($12.96) [VPIP: 18.5% | PFR: 15.3% | AGG: 32.1% | 3-Bet: 6.3% | Hands: 915]
UTG ($18.64) [VPIP: 20.9% | PFR: 13.4% | AGG: 25% | 3-Bet: 7.1% | Hands: 136]
HERO ($21.44) [VPIP: 30.1% | PFR: 24.1% | AGG: 29.4% | 3-Bet: 10% | Hands: 20693]
CO ($15.63) [VPIP: 26.5% | PFR: 20.6% | AGG: 45.8% | 3-Bet: 8.1% | Hands: 2237]

Dealt to Hero: A

UTG Folds, HERO Raises To $0.35, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Calls $0.30, BB Folds

Hero SPR on Flop: [23.04 effective]
Flop ($0.80): 9

SB Checks, HERO Bets $0.38 (Rem. Stack: 20.71), SB Calls $0.38 (Rem. Stack: 18.05)

Turn ($1.56): 9

SB Checks, HERO Bets $3 (Rem. Stack: 17.71), SB Raises To $7.30 (Rem. Stack: 10.75), HERO Calls $4.30 (Rem. Stack: 13.41)

River ($16.16): 9

SB Bets $10.75 (allin), HERO Calls $10.75

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08-18-2018 , 05:59 AM

Asatorholdem

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He looks pretty solid and his turn raise smells fishy.

Your only beaten by QQ and 9X but I don`t see how he bets this with QX or as Bluff so I guess its theoretical a fold River for 100 BB.

From his point of view he could bluff here pretty good because you have just QQ in your Range what you shouldn`t fold to his line. But almost nobody on this stakes folds a overpair here.

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08-18-2018 , 06:26 AM

Rikk

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I can't see how I'd play it any differently, even though it doesnt make any sense for Qx to play like this and bluffing in this spot is suicidal for V.

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08-18-2018 , 06:33 AM

Ojune

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idk I think u can fold river occasionaly after overbetting turn

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08-18-2018 , 06:37 AM

Rikk

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I keep missing these overbets haha. I dont like the OB in this spot because it gives us an SPR where it becomes too hard to fold.

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08-18-2018 , 06:49 AM

Ojune

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Originally Posted by Rikk

I dont like the OB in this spot because it gives us an SPR where it becomes too hard to fold.

I don't think that's how it works

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08-18-2018 , 07:13 AM

Rikk

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Originally Posted by Ojune

I don't think that's how it works

Foldong OTR (edit: to a card that doesnt really change anything) with that SPR is pretty bad imo. I inferred from your post that you wouldnt fold turn either. Would you care to explain?

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08-18-2018 , 07:18 AM

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SPR is only preflop and on the flop. I have literally never seen a single person rebluff an Overbet at my stakes which makes me think I could make an exploitable fold

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08-18-2018 , 07:29 AM

Rikk

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

SPR is only preflop and on the flop. I have literally never seen a single person rebluff an Overbet at my stakes which makes me think I could make an exploitable fold

Are you sure? I thought it's literally just a measure of the size of the pot to the stacks. You can calculate it whenever you want.

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08-18-2018 , 07:33 AM

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Ojune

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your stack-off range depends on the amount of money going in, the more money going in the more you can fold

nothing wrong with folding to a 2/3 psb otr considering we were 200bb deep in a srp

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08-18-2018 , 08:12 AM

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Rikk

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Originally Posted by Ojune

your stack-off range depends on the amount of money going in, the more money going in the more you can fold

nothing wrong with folding to a 2/3 psb otr considering we were 200bb deep in a srp

I think we're both at the same place but coming different angles. My point is that we didnt need to be playing for nearly 400bb with this hand in this way, but our sizing has made it so that a fold is 'exploitable' rather than standard. Villain has priced us in pretty well imo, but with a non OB turn we wouldnt be in a position where we have a 100bb bet to bluffcatch or herofold OTR.

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08-18-2018 , 08:28 AM

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Ojune

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depends on our ovb range

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08-18-2018 , 09:33 AM

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Ojune

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Let's say we have a couple of 9x and then overpairs. We def can't stack off with every ovp, we would be calling 100% so we have to fold some. Also I do think the sizing is great, villain most likely doesn't have enough 9x to defend and he can't have KK+.

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08-18-2018 , 12:03 PM

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AlanBostick

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Someone is going to have to explain to me why the turn overbet is good, because I just can't see it.

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08-18-2018 , 12:16 PM

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https://www.splitsuit.com/spr-poker-strategy

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Originally Posted by Rikk

Are you sure? I thought it's literally just a measure of the size of the pot to the stacks. You can calculate it whenever you want.

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Yeah I used to think it was too but here’s the source.(from Splitsuits website)

Scroll down to #5. SPR is a preflop/flop metric only

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08-18-2018 , 12:38 PM

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Rikk

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I did come across that earlier after checking google. It's weird, and i am surprised it wss there in black and white on the first site. ive not read the book that apparently put forward the idea but I learned the concept from people on this forum and if i was to estimate it comes up more often in relation to 'pot committedness'on later streets...i cant see any reason for it not to be a useful measure on turns and rivers too.

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08-18-2018 , 01:17 PM

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Ojune

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Originally Posted by Rikk

i cant see any reason for it not to be a useful measure on turns and rivers too.

yeah as far as Im concerned it applies

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08-18-2018 , 01:20 PM

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Ojune

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Originally Posted by AlanBostick

Someone is going to have to explain to me why the turn overbet is good, because I just can't see it.

because our hand beats 95% of villain's range, possibly 100% if he does 3bet QQ and doesn't call with T9s,98s so we bet stack, very straightforward

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08-18-2018 , 04:46 PM

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ArtyMcFly

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Originally Posted by AlanBostick

Someone is going to have to explain to me why the turn overbet is good, because I just can't see it.

The turn overbet looked very weird/bad to me too, but it's a very odd board, and not a spot I can say I've studied.
Villain would have to be very weird/bad to raise vs that overbet with anything but quads I think.

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08-18-2018 , 04:50 PM

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Ojune

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he would have to be bad to raise with anything at all imo

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08-18-2018 , 05:32 PM

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WorldzMine

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He should never be raising quads on the turn unless he's bad.

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08-18-2018 , 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by WorldzMine

He should never be raising quads on the turn unless he's bad.

I agree. Does this make you more or less likely to call?

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08-18-2018 , 05:56 PM

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RalphWaldoEmerson

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Q99 vs. SB is a texture I would be trying to x a fair amount otf, and AA seems pretty reasonable to do it with blocking AQ heavily.

I'd just fold river.
Turn OB seems good situationally with 200bb stacks.

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08-18-2018 , 05:58 PM

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Necrocorpse

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I don't think people fold boats enough where the overbet is wrong. At 10nl, villain is never folding Qx, KK, and could potentially be bluffing a low pocket pair. QQ, JJ, and KK would 3 bet pre, so his raise does look like 9x....but that's literally only one card in the deck. Given the level of play, I would say folding is long term losing.