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A3o BB vs BU 3bet pot A3o BB vs BU 3bet pot

01-16-2018 , 06:51 AM
€0.20 NL

Hero (BB): 101.5 BB
UTG: 485.05 BB (VPIP: 29.27, PFR: 21.82, 3Bet Preflop: 7.89, Hands: 1,190)
MP: 83.85 BB (VPIP: 17.46, PFR: 12.70, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 63)
CO: 40.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
BTN: 131.2 BB (VPIP: 27.69, PFR: 18.46, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 65)
SB: 49.9 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 3 A

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.5 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, BTN calls 6.5 BB

Flop: (18.5 BB, 2 players) A 2 9
Hero checks, BTN bets 9.25 BB, Hero calls 9.25 BB

Turn: (37 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, BTN bets 22 BB, Hero calls 22 BB

River: (81 BB, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, BTN bets 90.95 BB, Hero?



Not much info on villain but he seemed spewy.
01-16-2018 , 08:32 AM
If you’re not calling here is there anything left in your range you would check back flop? And I also prefer more linear 3bet
01-16-2018 , 08:39 AM
Why are you 3 beting A3o in sb vs a seemingly tight villain? Seems like v like's to call and playing that hand oop is not fun.. I always end up in a bad spot where it's either the line you took and play the hand as a bluff catcher or a cbet line. Both are kinda unattractive.
01-16-2018 , 10:37 AM
To those advocating folding pre what % are we defending here vs a 2.5x open? All PP, suited 9+, suited connectors and suited 1 gappers, suited aces, some suited kings, unsuited broadway, 98o, 9To, j9o, A9o +? That's like 30% and is beating a 40% BTN open range. I think we can include any ace in our defend range and still be getting the right odds to defend. We are getting a great price to defend with A3o vs even a tight BTN open range where we are essentially flipping.

AP I fold turn. The flop and turn are better for our range than his and he is still firing. We have AA, 99, QQ, possibly some A9, and hands like Ah6h that can continue on this turn.
01-16-2018 , 12:18 PM
I would just call pre and play a small pot with a hand with big RIO if you hit top pair and take post flop from there. When you 3 bet this hand and BTN calls, what flops really hit our hand strong? This hand also doesn't flop many semi bluff boards. If you feel that villain is weak post flop then for sure 3 bet and push him off his hand post flop but 3 betting this just causes unnecessary problems in a bloated pot.
01-16-2018 , 12:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by simplelessons
To those advocating folding pre what % are we defending here vs a 2.5x open? All PP, suited 9+, suited connectors and suited 1 gappers, suited aces, some suited kings, unsuited broadway, 98o, 9To, j9o, A9o +? That's like 30% and is beating a 40% BTN open range. I think we can include any ace in our defend range and still be getting the right odds to defend. We are getting a great price to defend with A3o vs even a tight BTN open range where we are essentially flipping.

AP I fold turn. The flop and turn are better for our range than his and he is still firing. We have AA, 99, QQ, possibly some A9, and hands like Ah6h that can continue on this turn.
You're right about preflop. About the turn though, you should apply the same logic. Pretty sure we have to call 9x in order to defend enough.
01-16-2018 , 12:47 PM
3 betting here is the worst of the 3 options. Weaker ranges mean tougher decsions post. This hand is a good example. Villain should be pretty wide from the btn. Maybe we have to call ott as you'r still beating some draws but in practice I'm folding to the turn barrel a lot. Easy fold otr.
01-16-2018 , 02:24 PM
Dont mind 3b pre, actually 3betting such hands often BBvsBTN. As played folding river.
01-16-2018 , 02:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ojune
You're right about preflop. About the turn though, you should apply the same logic. Pretty sure we have to call 9x in order to defend enough.
The board blocks so many bluffs, I think we can be exploitative and fold more than our MDF would dictate. It's also hard to range hero when he 3bets A3o, Like does he have A8o and A7o that play this way? If so he can probably fold his A3o, if not its a probably a call. I think this hand is better suited as a flat to keep V's ranger wider. Had this been a single raised pot we certainly would be calling.
01-16-2018 , 06:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by simplelessons
The board blocks so many bluffs, I think we can be exploitative and fold more than our MDF would dictate. It's also hard to range hero when he 3bets A3o, Like does he have A8o and A7o that play this way? If so he can probably fold his A3o, if not its a probably a call. I think this hand is better suited as a flat to keep V's ranger wider. Had this been a single raised pot we certainly would be calling.
If anything, the turn makes it more likely for villain to keep on firing since he picks up equity with a fair bit of hands (Many more picked up gutshots/FD's than Qx). Not relevant from a theoretical pov anyway.

A3o is a good candidate to call all the way down because it blocks very few bluffs and doesn't blocks middling PP's which villain should try and get to SD with.

Disregarding all of that, you cannot fold Ax on the turn or you're severely overfolding.
01-16-2018 , 08:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ojune
If anything, the turn makes it more likely for villain to keep on firing since he picks up equity with a fair bit of hands (Many more picked up gutshots/FD's than Qx). Not relevant from a theoretical pov anyway.

A3o is a good candidate to call all the way down because it blocks very few bluffs and doesn't blocks middling PP's which villain should try and get to SD with.

Disregarding all of that, you cannot fold Ax on the turn or you're severely overfolding.
What range do you think V has when he calls the 3bet and barrels twice?
01-16-2018 , 08:21 PM
Oh I have absolutely no idea what is range is, nor do I have to care. This is not how this work. The only consideration here would be population reads.
01-16-2018 , 10:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ojune
Oh I have absolutely no idea what is range is, nor do I have to care. This is not how this work. The only consideration here would be population reads.
k... range the population then dood.
01-16-2018 , 10:37 PM
what does that even mean?
01-16-2018 , 10:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ojune

A3o is a good candidate to call all the way down because it blocks very few bluffs and doesn't blocks middling PP's which villain should try and get to SD with.
So he tries to get to showdown with "middling PP's" by double barreling them? On this board?
01-16-2018 , 11:03 PM
you're right, it actually doesn't matter if we do or don't block middling pp's
not blocking 78s,67s,45s is a tiny bit relevant if villain chooses to spew with it

Last edited by Ojune; 01-16-2018 at 11:09 PM.
01-16-2018 , 11:27 PM
FOLD PRE....


/thread?!??!?!!?
01-16-2018 , 11:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brokenstars
FOLD PRE....


/thread?!??!?!!?
you're free to overfold
01-17-2018 , 12:29 AM
Thanks for all the advice guys. I think I've come to the conclusion I shouldn't be 3betting weak Ax oop even vs button opens. For some reason I just knew people we're going to have a problem with it.

The reason I used to choose to 3bet hands such as A2o-A4o every so often is because they play so poorly oop especially without the initiative. It seems that A3o is such a crappy hand to play oop that there are some people that would just fold it preflop. Well it's basically the strongest hand your going to be folding to a bu open,the ace makes a nice blocker so instead of flat or fold I figured I would use a mixed strategy and 3bet with them every now and then. They get folds from hands like A8o,A9o,A10o as well. But they present the even bigger problems in 3bet pots if you do get called. Domination issues,poor play ability and you get put in spots like this. Appreciate the advice-no more 3betting A3o suit.

As far as the rest of the hand goes I think it really depends on your reads. If you 3bet A3s from the sb and find yourself in the same situation and are taking a x/c line you obviously need to call one street. I would advocate calling turn as well but the problem is usually if your opponent is firing ott his plan is usually to follow it up otr. So imo if your calling ott I think you need to be prepared to call down on some rivers. If not toss your hand ott and save yourself the $.







River: (81 BB, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, BTN bets 90.95 BB, Hero calls 61.25 BB

Spoiler:
BTN shows 3 K (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 29%, Flop 1%, Turn 0%)
Hero shows 3 A (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 71%, Flop 99%, Turn 100%)
Hero wins 223.2 BB
01-17-2018 , 12:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ojune
you're free to overfold
lol???
01-17-2018 , 05:42 AM
Bet you felt baller after that call down! Your right imo about call call fold line being awful. Fold turn or call turn and river.
01-17-2018 , 07:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brokenstars
lol???
What's wrong with you lately? You're acting weird..
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