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02-21-2018 , 12:23 PM
Anything anyone does differently?

Villain is 27/20/1.6 Raise % from UTG is 17%. Seems like a solid reg. On the turn action I am expecting to see KK a lot of the time, but think I need to keep AK and AA in his range. Super standard or should I be taking a different approach? His opening range is wide enough, but the action really converges on only a few possible holdings.

[converted_hand][hand_history]WPN, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $10 (100 bb)
BB: $28.41 (284.1 bb)
Hero (UTG): $12.32 (123.2 bb)
MP: $13.39 (133.9 bb)
CO: $2.24 (22.4 bb)
BTN: $10.46 (104.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8 8
Hero raises to $0.30, MP raises to $0.90, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.95) K 4 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.46, Hero calls $0.46

Turn: ($2.87) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $2.20, Hero raises to $5, MP raises to $12.03 and is all-in, Hero calls $5.96 and is all-in
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02-21-2018 , 12:35 PM
Well played we don't want a XR range on the flop but I think we want one OTT when a FD comes
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02-21-2018 , 12:58 PM
Since Villain bet so small otf we get to the turn with clubs so im fine with xr'ing..
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02-21-2018 , 01:06 PM
I recognize your name from the limit forums back in like 2010-2011. Cool to see some people switch over to NL.

I'd play it more or less the same, although I might c/shove turn because SPR's going to be a little weird if we don't. I also don't think I'm c/r'aising to $5 with clubs because we don't have a ton of fold equity on the river after getting called with less than a 1/2 PSB behind.
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02-21-2018 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBJames
I recognize your name from the limit forums back in like 2010-2011. Cool to see some people switch over to NL.

I'd play it more or less the same, although I might c/shove turn because SPR's going to be a little weird if we don't. I also don't think I'm c/r'aising to $5 with clubs because we don't have a ton of fold equity on the river after getting called with less than a 1/2 PSB behind.
Yep, it's the same guy. I made my roll at LHE before it died and I've mostly been playing recreationally at PLO and NLHE these last few years. Since I really have not been studying I've mostly been a losing to break even player of late so I've decided to start working on my game again.

I play in a monthly live MTT that usually ends up with a good cash game breaking out so I decided to just focus on NLHE for now.
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02-21-2018 , 02:08 PM
you want to be calling a lot ott but raising occasionaly is fine
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02-21-2018 , 02:57 PM
Villain's sizings makes the check/raise kind of weird. When villain calls, you end up shoving for less than 50% pot OTR. For that reason, I like the idea of check/shoving. I haven't done the range work though, so I can't really speak to the EV of either option.

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Originally Posted by Ojune
you want to be calling a lot ott but raising occasionaly is fine
Reasoning?
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02-21-2018 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by whitemares



Reasoning?

Im assuming our range is full of 99-JJ,Kx which want to xc turn mostly.
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02-21-2018 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by whitemares
Reasoning?
villain's range is superior and there's not a lot of stuff we need to protect against. it would be quite different on a J,9,T
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02-21-2018 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Ojune
villain's range is superior and there's not a lot of stuff we need to protect against. it would be quite different on a J,9,T
well.. actually pio raises most of the time as well as every fd's except AQ apparently
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02-21-2018 , 09:22 PM
Can you explain your reasoning for the sizing of the turn raise? given his 3bet % is so small and his line to this point his range feels pretty narrowed. we price him in on the times hes holding AKc and the occasional aggro AQc KQc maybe? we do price him in with AA or AK but essentially price ourselves in otr when he has KK or connects a flush. We shove turn for same outcome when he has KK but protect our equity against fd and prevent us from making mistakes on the river.
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02-22-2018 , 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by antneye
Yep, it's the same guy. I made my roll at LHE before it died and I've mostly been playing recreationally at PLO and NLHE these last few years. Since I really have not been studying I've mostly been a losing to break even player of late so I've decided to start working on my game again.

I play in a monthly live MTT that usually ends up with a good cash game breaking out so I decided to just focus on NLHE for now.
I valued your advice when I started in LHE. It's good to see another LHE convert "hanging around. " : )

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02-22-2018 , 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by FGCUrounder
Can you explain your reasoning for the sizing of the turn raise? given his 3bet % is so small and his line to this point his range feels pretty narrowed. we price him in on the times hes holding AKc and the occasional aggro AQc KQc maybe? we do price him in with AA or AK but essentially price ourselves in otr when he has KK or connects a flush. We shove turn for same outcome when he has KK but protect our equity against fd and prevent us from making mistakes on the river.
Honestly, my thought process is not super evolved right now. Hence me deciding to start posting again.

I had a set and wanted to tie him to the pot to take his stack. It wasn't until later when I looked back at the hand that I started to really consider his range and the FD.

I'm very rusty.
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02-22-2018 , 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by nonsimplesimon
I valued your advice when I started in LHE. It's good to see another LHE convert "hanging around. " : )

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Thanks. Good to see some old s/n"s from those days.

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02-22-2018 , 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Ojune
well.. actually pio raises most of the time as well as every fd's except AQ apparently
How does it weight sizing, mostly jams or?
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02-22-2018 , 10:09 AM
idk I set minraise I don't think raising all in is too good
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02-22-2018 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by antneye
Honestly, my thought process is not super evolved right now. Hence me deciding to start posting again.

I had a set and wanted to tie him to the pot to take his stack. It wasn't until later when I looked back at the hand that I started to really consider his range and the FD.

I'm very rusty.
I hear you. I'm new to cash games. mainly an MTT guy. Trying to get involved in the forum to learn and hone my thinking.

I think were getting stacked by KK and just filing it under coolers. which is why I don't think we mind protecting our equity by shipping turn against the FDs and at the micros I wouldn't be surprised at all to get value from AA and occasionally fish holding AK with a ship.
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