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09-19-2018 , 03:24 PM
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NL Holdem $0.05(BB)
CO ($9.30) [VPIP: 21% | PFR: 15.1% | AGG: 31% | 3-Bet: 5.6% | Hands: 994]
BTN ($10.72) [VPIP: 23.4% | PFR: 15.6% | AGG: 23.4% | 3-Bet: 2.9% | Hands: 747]
SB ($4.19) [VPIP: 13.7% | PFR: 9.8% | AGG: 22.2% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 56]
BB ($6.08) [VPIP: 23.8% | PFR: 19.3% | AGG: 25% | 3-Bet: 5.9% | Hands: 211]
HERO ($5.15) [VPIP: 23.6% | PFR: 18.6% | AGG: 30.8% | 3-Bet: 7.6% | Hands: 147506]
HJ ($2) [VPIP: 12.3% | PFR: 10.6% | AGG: 36.4% | 3-Bet: 1.7% | Hands: 311]

Dealt to Hero: 8 8

HERO Raises To $0.20, HJ Folds, CO Calls $0.20, BTN Folds, SB Calls $0.18, BB Calls $0.15

Hero SPR on Flop: [4.99 effective]
Flop ($0.80): T 2 8
SB Checks, BB Checks, HERO Bets $0.55 (Rem. Stack: 4.40), CO Calls $0.55 (Rem. Stack: 8.55), SB Folds, BB Calls $0.55 (Rem. Stack: 5.33)

Turn ($2.45): T 2 8 A
BB Checks, HERO Checks, CO Checks

River ($2.45): T 2 8 A J
BB Bets $1.16 (Rem. Stack: 4.17), HERO??? (Rem. Stack: 3.24), [color=red]

Is this a river Leak to make this call here?

spadez
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09-19-2018 , 03:36 PM
Multiway you can probably get away with a PSB on the flop. Otherwise seems fine. We don't really have to worry about CO, as I think this turn check probably caps their range. We beat some value bets from BB (AT, A8, A2, JT, 22) and don't block any bluffs so I think this call is mandatory. It's very obvious that neither you nor CO have a flush very often after the turn checks through, so BB should be value betting thinner and bluffing more.

Also it's kind of nice that the turn is the Ah, as many of the flush draws that V's should be flat calling with (especially OOP) are NFDs, so it's much less likely we're up against a flush. What non nut flush draws x/c this flop OOP multi-way?

Last edited by JohnRusty; 09-19-2018 at 03:45 PM.
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09-19-2018 , 03:41 PM
No. I think we make our b/e vs the bet enough, the player left to act complicates things somewhat! But still folding a set when no overset should really get here would be bad.

BB has the widest pre flop range, the most flushes, QT and possibly KQ at some frequency (especially KQcc) but also sets of 2’s, 2 pairs (T8, AT, JT, A2, AJ) and some Ax and bluffs.

Betting into two players with a flush on board is really strong. And I expect us to lose a lot, but we should make the 25% b/e long term and then some. It’s close though so folding wouldn’t be terrible.

Bet the flop bigger, it’s wet and multiway. An overbet wouldn’t be ridiculous!


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09-19-2018 , 06:35 PM
As strongly wrong this could sound..

Check flop, there is not a big difference in EV by cbetting, but, in spots like this, where the villains will bluff a lot, your hand doesn't really need this kind of protection..

Against a wide range like of the BB, he will bluff a lot on the turn and river..
and when you cbet, you open a door to a baaaad spot when a 9, J, any hearts, Q to put you in the worst spot ever..

My recomendations here are.. play this spot passively, if someone bets, than you can Raise forever on this flop..
If they only cbet on the turn.. is an easy call.. you know.. you can be winning against Off suiteds and make a full house..
River is a fold unless you get full houses..


Now, as played, fold river, the EV will be horrible by calling after the CO called too on the flop..
If they don't have the flush and did had the guts by bluffing here.. well played..
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09-19-2018 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ULTRACURRY
As strongly wrong this could sound..

when you cbet, you open a door to a baaaad spot when a 9, J, any hearts, Q to put you in the worst spot ever..

Isn't this an argument to c-bet??? Why on Earth wouldn't we want to bet if we're ahead of every hand except TT but future cards could be bad for us?
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09-20-2018 , 05:48 AM
bet bigger on the flop, check turn is fine, raising river is too thin
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09-20-2018 , 05:59 AM
I would bet bigger on the flop and probably bet again on the turn depending on vilain calling power
River same though
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09-20-2018 , 07:32 AM
I wouldn't fold that. Your opponent could even be value betting two pair.
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09-20-2018 , 09:21 AM
bomb that flop between 80 - 150% pot imo
nm else to do but call river imo.
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09-20-2018 , 01:43 PM
I try for the check(-raise) on the flop.
As played, I like the turn check and I pretty much snap-call the river.
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