Preflop you can argue fold but I don't like it. I am confident enough to play a PP postflop that I think folding would be a mistake.
Flop: he checked fairly quickly, didn't "think" too long about it, i bet for protection which i don't know if its the right play considering if he x/r normal sizing i would be fml status. so i think checking back is probably better option. then he snap min-clicks it back. this is usually almost always a draw of some kind so i decided to flat and see a turn for that price.
Turn: this is where i made the decision that he was bluffing i cant think of a single hand that would make sense to play this way ( even from a recs POV) other than specifically AQdd. i think 99-JJ would of raised bigger on flop or outright cbet and QQ+ would just jam turn for max value. i think the same for his flopped sets ( if he even squeezes with smaller pairs) if he x/minr flop with a hand like AQo,KQ,QJ then why not jam and charge max? it makes no sense to leave such little behind to play a river. i decide to call turn and call river no matter what it is.
Is my line of thinking correct? or the way im going about taking parts of villains range out based on actions that i think "cap" certain parts of his range? I would like to hear your thoughts about this...
Check raising this flop doesn't look too bad but min raise flop is suspect, a cautious call. Turn bet basically rules out 8x, improves little. Priced in on both streets. Seems fine vs fish
mistake is on flop, just check back. AA KK should check OOP, I think. We don't get very much protection betting here. Turn / river odds indicate a call, villain's line makes not a whole lot of sense. I am inclined to call down.
Pre is still pretty marginal with 100bb stacks with positions, but you did get lucky and spiked a good board.
the 3-bet with A2o vs HJ is funny. poker is not dead, he decided to give you some free moneys.
Last edited by amazin lazer; 07-16-2019 at 04:19 PM.
Preflop you can argue fold but I don't like it. I am confident enough to play a PP postflop that I think folding would be a mistake.
No offense but i think that is a judgement error. Preflop should most likely fold unless you really know what is going on with the SB and the IP flat caller.
Like said before i think Betting flop is a mistake. Villain can x/jam with Overpairs and Flushdraws…
No offense but i think that is a judgement error. Preflop should most likely fold unless you really know what is going on with the SB and the IP flat caller.
Like said before i think Betting flop is a mistake. Villain can x/jam with Overpairs and Flushdraws…
None taken, why are we folding? What range would we call? I called because I think my opponent will make more mistakes than me postflop
mistake is on flop, just check back. AA KK should check OOP, I think. We don't get very much protection betting here. Turn / river odds indicate a call, villain's line makes not a whole lot of sense. I am inclined to call down.
Pre is still pretty marginal with 100bb stacks with positions, but you did get lucky and spiked a good board.
the 3-bet with A2o vs HJ is funny. poker is not dead, he decided to give you some free moneys.
What do we do on the turn when WE DO check back flop? On say A-T cards? This is partially why I bet because people dont tend to x/r bluff enough and I dont like facing a turn lead on one of those cards
Otf, I can go either way. You have the nut (slightly) and range advantage, but you also have a hand with some sdv. After pf 3 bettor checks you probably have the best hand. He would most likely continue betting with A8, 98, 99+, etc. It's probably good to bet for value/protection. After the xr, I would call.
Ott none of the obvious draws completed. Relatively few of v's hands 3betting hands improve if he's raising Ax+, some Kx+, Broadways, pp, some scs from the sb. I'd call here too. River 4 changes little and you're getting 4.5 to 1 on a call. Might as well see the sd.
None taken, why are we folding? What range would we call? I called because I think my opponent will make more mistakes than me postflop
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I wouldn't fold this. You are getting better than 10 to 1 on a call (stack to call) for set mining. Add that you can win some with a bet when v misses sometimes, and you are fine.
Preflop is super standard, CO will be calling pretty frequently = implied odds going up with multiway action. Plus IP versus 3bettor. Slam dunk call.
If people don't x/raise bluff enough as you say then why are you calling turn after getting raised on flop? Not doing well versus his value range. Min raises from fish should be very worrying.
Betting flop is fine with a nut advantage, would prefer to bet small as you get to bet more frequently with your entire range (can bet more often for protection with smaller bets).
None taken, why are we folding? What range would we call? I called because I think my opponent will make more mistakes than me postflop
we are not supposed to do a lot of calling in that spot because more often than not we will either go 3 way postflop in a sandwich spot every once in a while CO will back raise jam. Many players who flat frequently in position will also flat some AK/JJ type hands and use those for a back raise , especially when a player in the blinds seems squeeze happy.
So when defending vs a squeeze as the pfr you really want to only call vs a BB squeeze and the SB being the coldcaller.
In the spot you are in your mostly supposed to play 4b/fold...
unless you have specific reads. which you dont have... assume you didnt put SB on A2o. You put in an enitre stack with 77 which is most likely a loosing play vs a loose passive population. YOu mentioned none of the value hands made sense to his line. that is true. but his line also didnt make since for A2o... What i am implying is, we dont know if you made the correct play here, because he could have also show down QJcc.. it wouldnt make much sense to us to play it like that, but it would beat your 77. maybe he shows up with 99
p.s.
calling 77 here hoping the CO to overcalls and trying to setmine is not a profitable play at all!
Zuko on point once again, 4-bet or fold in this spot, guess what we do with pocket 7s. You don't make money in hold'em by calling off against tight positional squeezes with pocket 7s sandwiched in between 2 players. Winning this hand is not a justification for the play, if you continued playing this way, and ran a filter on these spots in your HUD, you would see how much you are being ****ed by them over any decent sample.
Calling pre is ok as long as you know how to play postflop.
As someone said before, often going mw so IO goes up and a lot of the times ranges become very face up so easy to play.
I do like betting flop, just a touch smaller as no need to half pot as all we want to do is fold out random checks that have equity vs us. Plus, villain is still uncapped so a small size works better for our overall range.
I'd be very cautious of the flop xr, giving sizing etc I think it's ok to call or fold. I'd lean towards call since if they checked flop, they might make amistake and check turn, or they could be rando bluffing, or when behind we have 6 outs usually and might be able to use this as a bluff on some runouts to make better fold.
As played, if I wanted to continue, I would just jam turn as there is so little behind. We can fold some hands and have equity when called, but tbh against population this just looks like some overpair, Qx played weird and I'd fold at that point.
None taken, why are we folding? What range would we call? I called because I think my opponent will make more mistakes than me postflop
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You shouldn't really have a calling range when you are monkey-in-the-middle. You defend with 4bets, value and bluff. You defend things when you aren't squeezed between 2 players OOP.
why is a better overpair a better calldown? Isn't 99-JJ blocking more of barreling range? o:
I would say that if he is spazzing out, which is the only reason we want to consider trying to showdown, then having JJ-99 that block barrels makes a negligible difference. As in, if he is spazzing he doesn't necessarily choose anything appropriate to barrel with, such as JT, T9 etc. It would be more valid in some spot Vs a more competent player, but based on villains line they are not competent so could have anything.
I would be more worried of someone like this xr A8 or 8x etc otf and barrel turn than a combo like J9 or whatever, so having JJ-99 imo becomes better for us.
He might actually do it with TT etc themselves tbh
My reason for folding is my understanding of the population, if that's what you mean.
I do agree but your understanding of the population should be that they 3 bet/4bet and squeeze less than optimal and that is even more of a reason to fold here preflop.
a lot of recs cold call here stuff like JJ/QQ AQ/AK... thats crazy.
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Also, we are probably lowish in our range at this point.
We have been lowish in our range the moment we opened preflop.