67s, MW line check - Micro Stakes Pot Limit and No Limit

Two Plus Two Forums Poker Strategy Online No-Limit Hold’em Cash

67s, MW line check

Post Reply Subscribe

...

12-10-2018 , 10:53 PM

Flpmethntsdlr

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 3,918

Taken from my PG&C.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flpmethntsdlr

Let's go one hand at a time. Two lines I can take, XC flop/Xf turn or Xr flop and barrel off. I chose the latter this time. Thoughts?

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 133.68 BB (VPIP: 24.86, PFR: 17.51, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 185)
MP: 227.92 BB (VPIP: 21.62, PFR: 16.22, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 39)
Hero (CO): 103.12 BB
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 29.84, PFR: 21.99, 3Bet Preflop: 9.43, Hands: 1,205)
SB: 111.24 BB (VPIP: 25.33, PFR: 21.19, 3Bet Preflop: 8.95, Hands: 781)
BB: 63.08 BB (VPIP: 25.30, PFR: 16.87, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 86)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 7

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.6 BB, BTN calls 2.6 BB, fold, BB calls 1.6 BB

Flop: (8.2 BB, 3 players) 2

BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, BTN calls 6 BB

Turn: (26.2 BB, 2 players) Q

Hero bets 15 BB, BTN calls 15 BB

River: (56.2 BB, 2 players) 7

Hero bets 76.52 BB and is all-in

Quote

12-10-2018 , 10:58 PM

bfskinner

enthusiast

Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 78

It would seem you x/r the flop to deny the button's ability to realize their equity more than to bet money in cause you win. Is this a balance for your 22,66 hands as you want 2 bluffs for every 1 value bet on the flop?

Quote

12-11-2018 , 04:07 AM

ChipsNcrisps

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 4,946

xc flop w/o backdoors

Quote

12-11-2018 , 05:28 AM

Flpmethntsdlr

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 3,918

Quote:

Originally Posted by bfskinner

Since this is a flop I think I am going to x frequently MW, essentially yes, the xr, bet turn is for equity denial to hands like T9s,98s,Axs V decided not to 3b pre. Hands like JT,J9,AJ,KJ also aren't gonna be thrilled calling down now either which is why I decided to continue with my adventure ott.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps

xc flop w/o backdoors

Was going back and forth with that aspect. It is like a 2-3% difference in equity when called, correct?

Quote

12-11-2018 , 05:34 AM

Lazarus Ledd

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 505

It's simple don't bluff with second pair on flop. Ever.

And whats up with sizing on turn. You need to bet 2/3 to have pot size left on river or overbet on intending to give up rivers. Anyway I don't like it.

Quote

12-11-2018 , 05:41 AM

ChipsNcrisps

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 4,946

Quote:

Was going back and forth with that aspect. It is like a 2-3% difference in equity when called, correct?

Ye but its more about the ability to barrel on more turn cards

Quote

12-11-2018 , 06:19 AM

Flpmethntsdlr

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 3,918

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lazarus Ledd

I don't usually, and agreed wrt sizing I f'ed it up. I don't normally xr dry flops at all, really.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps

Ye but its more about the ability to barrel on more turn cards

Yes, ofc. I presume hands like 54s, A2s are better for such a line as a bluff?

Quote

12-11-2018 , 06:21 AM

Malunor

enthusiast

Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 97

I’d x/c, don’t see the point of x/raising this combo.

I just realized that maybe what i’m Doing is bad but shouldn’t we be cbetting this board a lot for a small sizing? I mean it is as dry as it can get.
And the x range would be something like : JJ, JTs and JTo and 6x and crap that has not barrel potential ?

And in my mind I would never x/r this board. But once again, maybe it’s bad.

Quote

12-11-2018 , 08:50 AM

DooDooPoker

Verified Coach NLHE

Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 18,585

Why aren’t we just cbetting range here OTF? I want my opponent to fold his T9s/98s type hands and if he folds KQ that’s a big win. I feel like a x/c line is going to make future streets very difficult since there are pretty much no good turn cards.

Ironically I prefer XR to XC just to deny equity + he never has a super strong hand here. Playing QQ-AA like this is good too at some frequency.

Quote

12-11-2018 , 11:50 AM

#10

Flpmethntsdlr

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 3,918

Quote:

Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

Cause shorty in the BB is why I xd flop. I usually try to get to SD as cheaply as possible multi way with middle pair type hands. When BTN got the BB to fold, I chose a different line since I block the strongest hand V can have otf.

Quote

12-11-2018 , 12:41 PM

#11

DooDooPoker

Verified Coach NLHE

Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 18,585

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flpmethntsdlr

I think I wouldn’t check flop precisely because of the BB. BB has a wide range that is unlikely to hit this board but playing the x/c game against 2 opponents is going to cause us headaches OTT and river since we aren’t defining ranges and we are against 4 cards instead of 2.

If the SB called instead of the BB I think checking makes more sense. But against the two weakest calling positions (BU and BB) just bet and clear them out.

Quote

12-11-2018 , 12:46 PM

#12

Brokenstars

Verified Coach NLHE

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 16,103

Flop is probably not the best

Quote

12-11-2018 , 01:59 PM

#13

Flpmethntsdlr

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 3,918

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brokenstars

Flop is probably not the best

Is range betting best, MW, as Doo suggests or xc? So far, the pop has a tendency to attack smaller cbets, the Russian LAG's in particular. They can also float this spot fairly wide, or is this not necessarily a bad thing?

Quote

12-11-2018 , 03:40 PM

#14

Brokenstars

Verified Coach NLHE

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 16,103

I didn't read through the thread, but definitely don't range bet.

Quote

12-11-2018 , 04:46 PM

#15

ArtyMcFly

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 13,256

I have a really low c-betting freq in these spots but I kind of like c-betting small with some vulnerable hands (88 and 77 might benefit from betting small too), in the hope it folds out BTN, and possibly BB as well. Check-calling would be my second choice, and even then it's only a call vs a small bet. I don't want to play a big pot OOP with this hand, so check-raising is out of the question for me.

Quote

12-12-2018 , 08:39 AM

#16

Flpmethntsdlr

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 3,918

Thank you gentlemen. Agreed, I like a small cbet or xc better.

V ended up having QJs so I got wrecked. I would have thought QJs was a standard 3b. V I guess didn't want to play a big pot and was letting the BB in.

Quote

12-12-2018 , 08:15 PM

#17

ArtyMcFly

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 13,256

I was gonna say I'm not too happy about that turn card because QJs is in a lot of people's ranges, including mine. Not everyone 3-bets it in BTNvCO.

Quote

12-12-2018 , 11:10 PM

#18

Flpmethntsdlr

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 3,918

That's definitely something I'll keep in mind in the future.

Quote

Post Reply Subscribe

...