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NL Holdem $0.05(BB)
BTN ($5.88)
SB ($5.02)
BB ($21.33)
HERO ($4.89)
HJ ($18.97)
CO ($4.56)

Dealt to Hero 8 7

HERO Raises To $0.15 (Rem. Stack: 4.74), HJ Folds, CO Calls $0.15 (Rem. Stack: 4.41), BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Folds

Flop ($0.37) 7 2 K
HERO Checks, CO Checks

Turn ($0.37) 7 2 K 4
HERO Bets $0.18 (Rem. Stack: 4.56), CO Calls $0.18 (Rem. Stack: 4.23)

River ($0.73) 7 2 K 4 7
HERO?

V is unknown.
Lots of options here, not sure which is best:
1. We can give V a chance to bluff and x/c. Downside to this is the population checks back missed draws frequently.
2. We can make a pot sized bet. We have a lot of draws which brick on that river and V should have a bunch of pairs.
3. We can overbet to 2x pot. V mostly has bluff catchers and everything bricked. Calling ranges might be inelastic on this runout.

Other options here?

I think an overbet looks good

make it 1.1 - $1.4 and fold to raise

I usually overbet these situations too. You rep a 7 or nothing really and can balance it out with bluffs that block his 7s. Real easy for him to put you on a missed draw.

overbet is not good! just standart value bet.

fwiw, if villain's thinking at all (he isn't in this game), we have a draw ott very very rarely.

how many 5nl V change their river calling range when we bet $1.40 as opposed to 60¢?

Probably more than you expect. I think overbet's pretty bad here. He doesn't have a King and if he has a 7, we're probably beaten. A hand like TT isn't calling $1.40.

Am I missing something here?

Why is Hero playing 87s from UTG in NL5?


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Curious why you think that. I actually have all diamonds and hearts here and am betting them vs the check back almost always.

Hi, thanks for posting. Hero isnt a nit and has suited connectors down to 78s.

I also play 6max micros, I have a vpip near 30, and I would never open 87s from UTG in these stakes. You’re telling me it’s nitty to not open with 87s UTG? This is standard play at the micros now? Balance is irrelevant at these stakes.


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should play much tighter at nl5 with all the good players

once you get to nl5k, you can start playing these not so great hands

I play 20/16 and open 87s

Bolded isn't true. It may be true in this spot but just making it a blanket statement about $5nl (or any stake) is blatantly untrue.

If you're saying that you have every fd combo that you open UTG to bet in this spot, that's either untrue or really bad play. I think I'm misunderstanding though.

We can't (or at least shouldn't) be betting all of our hearts and backdoor diamonds and backdoor straight draws OTF. I wouldn't go so far as to say I have every heart and diamond draw OTT as OP stated (I must have misunderstood that too) but we absolutely should have some.

I don't think he has enough combos that take this line to only defend TP+ OTR even to an overbet and so I'm fine with him folding TT because I clean up with my bluffs if he does.

Also, fwiw, I play 32/28 and 87s absolutely is being opened UTG.

As played I think an overBet is mandatory to protect your bluffs. Though honestly I don't see why this hand is not slam dunk cbet. You are utg you are uncapped opponent can't have better than kjs or maybe kq... It's a mandatory barrel down with the bdfd Imo.

Maybe you have a strategy where you are able to c/c with draws though I would like to hear more about c/c draws and bdfd on these boards. I'm not sure how that can be balanced or even +ev

we need to x/c some draws to protect our range on some runouts and not be overly strong on others

I'm going back and forth between betting flop with a view to turning hand into a bluff or checking flop+turn. I don't think the turn bet achieves very much.

This is something I thought but didn't put into my original post. As played on the turn I would much rather use this hand to x/c than to bet out. Sure we can deny some equity to hands like QJ with a bet but I'm more concerned with having some hands that can check flop and turn and still call 2 bets if our opponent took that as weakness.

Random overs have some dead outs in diamonds anyway, so we're really not protecting against all that much. A turn bet's more for thin value but villain can check back some 88-JJ so that's not so clear cut. Plenty of rivers that are very comfortable for us after a check too.

I also think we bet flop with so much of the diamonds and hearts we have that our turn bet is nearly always a pair worse than Kx kind of hand.

better to bet with the FD than without though

That's true.

But I also want some diamond hands in my check flop check turn line and I can't think of any better candidates than this one.

Many of you probably won't agree with this, but my range will always have all my draws and all my Kx here because I'm using a simplified strategy of checking range OOP. The hands you would bet I would just x/r or x/c. The simplified cbet strategy gives me more time to focus on improvement in other areas of my game by removing a decision point. I got it from coaching videos that I trust, it's not something I invented.

@Bladesman87 I still want to protect against hearts and overs but as you said, we don't need a ton of protection on the turn so my bet is probably too thin. I'm probably better off underbetting something like .1 or .12. I think checking twice handcuffs us on a lot of rivers and makes it very difficult to actually get paid when our hand improves.

You're really not supposed to check your range raising utg on this flop
yeah I think you're correct actually.

Are we always checking our range OOP or does board texture or positions matter? And by that same token, do we then always bet our range when IP? I've never seen or heard of this strategy before. My first impression is that it has some serious flaws but I will have to give it some more serious thought before I pass judgement.