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NL Holdem $0.05(BB)
HJ ($2.5) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
CO ($5) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HERO ($7.98) [VPIP: 23.9% | PFR: 20.7% | AGG: 33.3% | 3-Bet: 14.2% | Hands: 111121]
SB ($11.41) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
BB ($9.75) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
UTG ($4.15) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]

Dealt to Hero: 3 4

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $0.12, SB Calls $0.10, BB Folds

Hero SPR on Flop: [27.1 effective]
Flop ($0.29): 4 J K
SB Checks, HERO Bets $0.14 (Rem. Stack: 7.72), SB Calls $0.14 (Rem. Stack: 11.15)

Turn ($0.57): 4 J K 7
SB Checks, HERO Bets $0.82

This seems sloppy and bad. But hey, if it's what PIO says, go for it.

What's your plan on various rivers? Such as a club, a heart, Tx, 9x, 6x...

in my experience, sb is pretty much always going to be fishy for flatting pre
so I like betting turn for some thin value to x/ rivers unimproved
I'd typically go 2/3 smth rather just because of my hand strength in this particular case, if I think he prob continues with a bunch of draws, any pair and mby some Ahighs and I plan to not bluff a lot of rivers. Also folding to a reasonable x/r
equity wise I think we're not doing well when his draws are going to have live outs and even Ahighs with a random overcard are doing ok

but it's possible bigger turn and then 3barreling more scare cards makes more money. wouldn't expect to get this guy off any decent pair when the river bricks tho

I think I give up a lot of rivers and take my showdown value. I figure I fold out Jx OTT so his calling range is mostly Kx/draws. I thought it was a cool turn spot, villain just ended up folding so no drama here.

I’d just x/f flop, lol

Firstly are you guys PIO solving 5nl cause if you are **** yeah can you let me watch....

2ndly if wouldnt we have two many bluffs here if we are betting 34dd on the turn? We have much stronger bluffs we can bet here and with 34dd we have sdv

That being said I think my line here would seem to passive to most but checking back flop, then turn he bet i call, then river he bet i fold. etc...

SB flatting range is usually either small to mid pairs or some Broadway combo. His Broadway combos probably aren't folding to any size bet so if we are just targeting his crappy pocket pairs we can just go smaller. He also sometimes has a set here and just rips in our face, so we'd prefer to lose less when that happens.

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Which set?

Only set he has is 44 lol, which virtually always raises flop

44 and 77. 5nlz on ignition the fish don't always fold to the flop bet.

Edit: honestly I've seen kk here too.

I'd fold pre most of the time.

And I think 56s to answer your question, but, it's sort of eh against the SB.

What hand is folding other than air on the turn?

I'd prefer to overbet the turn with QTcc, 98cc, T9cc, 65cc (and the same hands in hearts to a lesser extent). It's probably a leak of mine, but I'm usually 'one and done' with bottom pair. If the "bet for protection" fails on the flop, I just try and nurse it to showdown, taking free cards where appropriate.

I agree the hands you listed are better double barrels just because we have so much equity to the pot. This hand makes a good triple though if the river blanks out.

I think the cool thing about this hand is that sometimes we are value betting the turn. Especially when we block his most likely set. We also always get paid by a King when the river comes a 3 or 4 which is nice.

Solvers love to use these bottom pair blocker hands as bluffs in spots like these when the board favors your range for some reason.

I said this the other day and you said you rarely have seen these weird "slowplays" for lack of a better term. Because, tbh, I don't know if people actually think they are slowplaying or what exactly is going through their minds when they don't even 3bet the top of their ranges OOP.

To an Overbet? I think a lot of hands. What do you do with JT here?

You have so many combo draws and OESDs (plus some 4x club combos) that I don't see why you need to bet a hand with such abysmal equity against a calling range

Yes but all the combo draws make bad triples. So you need some doubles that give up and then some triples like this hand imo.

What makes all of them bad triples?

I'd be surprised if you didn't have enough 4x/7x club/heart combos to triple though, especially given you're playing in games where you probably want to be underbluffing with your triples

You keep saying this but it's not true. You "need" zero bluffs ever unless you are playing expert players capable of exploiting your nearly non-zero bluffing frequency. While 99.9% of the players including regs are completely incapable of this type of exploitation, especially in anonymous games. The very few times you should actually bluff rivers will come naturally, you certainly don't need to "find" them.

I've tried explaining this a million and one different ways in your various threads for many months now but you never seem to grasp the micro's easiest concept.

We just have different approaches. You like to play straight forward/tight ABC poker which is fine. I’m trying to find edges and expand my game and knowledge even if it costs me short term EV.

The way you talk, everyone should just play “standard” poker. But high stakes players are obviously playing differently than small stakes players. Even though I’m sure you think high stakes = run hot, small stakes = run bad.

Well just in general draws usually make bad triple barrels but good doubles because we want our opponent to have missed draws OTR. So this hand would be a better triple barrel candidate on blank rivers.

I agree since population over calls we should under bluff.

So we want to bluff with pairs to unblock hands that we are already beating?

No you want to bluff with hands that block his strongest hands. We don’t know if he has 87 or hit some weird pair but missed his draw. When you have 5th pair on the river, that does not count as showdown value. It’s higher EV to fold out all these accidental pair hands and if we bluff with the best hand sometimes what’s wrong with that?

I realize I'm contradicting myself since earlier I said I would give up OTR, but after thinking about it more I think betting is better. Sorry for the confusion.