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[5NLz]AA facing turn x/r w/ NFD [5NLz]AA facing turn x/r w/ NFD

09-17-2018 , 05:57 PM
PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $5.22 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
SB: $7.74 (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
BB: $5.00 (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 42.86, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 7)
Hero (UTG): $8.49
MP: $4.32 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
CO: $5.24 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has A A

Hero raises to $0.15, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.15, SB calls $0.13, fold

Flop: ($0.50, 3 players) Q 2 T
SB checks, Hero bets $0.25, fold, SB calls $0.25

Turn: ($1.00, 2 players) J
SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, SB raises to $1.60, Hero ???

Just wondering what our thought process should be here? I don't think we're ever really ahead of villain's range here but can we call w/ the As?
[5NLz]AA facing turn x/r w/ NFD Quote
09-17-2018 , 06:46 PM
Board: QhTs2sJs
Equity Win Tie
MP2 31.95% 31.95% 0.00% { AsAc }
MP3 68.05% 68.05% 0.00% { TT, 22, QTs+, JTs, Qs9s, Ks8s, Qs8s, 9s8s, Ks7s, Qs7s, 9s7s, 8s7s, Ks6s, Qs6s, 8s6s, 7s6s, Ks5s, Qs5s, 7s5s, 6s5s, 5s4s, QTo+, JTo }

Does this range seem fair for villain? If so, it seems we should fold? Need 32% and only have 12 outs (~25% equity)?

Last edited by Poker_Player; 09-17-2018 at 06:54 PM.
[5NLz]AA facing turn x/r w/ NFD Quote
09-18-2018 , 10:37 AM
the correct way to calculate required equity to break-even is:

the amount you have to call (1.10) / {size of the pot before he bets (1.50) + his bet (1.60) + your call (1.10)}

1.1/4.2 = 0.26 , or 26%

12 outs turn to river is about 26% eq, so yeah, call or fold

I'm calling tho, if he ever raises a few combos you're ahead of, your eq shoots up quickly.
[5NLz]AA facing turn x/r w/ NFD Quote
09-18-2018 , 11:45 AM
Fold..
You have tons of other bether hands to call or raise..

AA is too weak here..

You have AK.. TT.. JJ.. QJ and etc..
[5NLz]AA facing turn x/r w/ NFD Quote
09-18-2018 , 11:49 AM
Oh.. sorry.. now that I see you have the flush draw..

I'm still folding exploitative here because I will not have many actions when we hit the flush.. and the SB will probably check fold river in a spades..
[5NLz]AA facing turn x/r w/ NFD Quote
09-18-2018 , 12:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ionutd
the correct way to calculate required equity to break-even is:

the amount you have to call (1.10) / {size of the pot before he bets (1.50) + his bet (1.60) + your call (1.10)}

1.1/4.2 = 0.26 , or 26%

12 outs turn to river is about 26% eq, so yeah, call or fold

I'm calling tho, if he ever raises a few combos you're ahead of, your eq shoots up quickly.
Ah yeah, it's coming back to me now. I thought I was making a mistake somewhere but couldn't figure it out.

Need to get back to this sort of study to refresh my mind on it. Appreciate the help.
[5NLz]AA facing turn x/r w/ NFD Quote
09-18-2018 , 06:09 PM
Getting odds for a call. I’d factor in likelihood vil has to put in his stack on an A for those implied odds.

Think fold is a fine low variance play


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[5NLz]AA facing turn x/r w/ NFD Quote
09-18-2018 , 06:41 PM
Well, between betting 1/2 pot and checking flop I'd rather checking, I don't see the point about betting this size.
But yeah, I'd like to see some other opinions whether to bet or not OTF.

vs unknown I'm always checking ott, you're beat for almost everything V's is calling flop with. Although you've got As, which blocks some of v's flushes, betting turn is really bad imo.
[5NLz]AA facing turn x/r w/ NFD Quote
09-18-2018 , 08:05 PM
I usually check the flop, whether I have the flush blocker/backdoor or not. I'm not sure if I'm making a mistake, but I know that you shouldn't generally be c-betting very often when you're OOP to at least one player, and it's multiway. This flop is pretty dynamic, so the turn is often gonna be very hard to navigate, especially if the BTN flats.
As played, I think you have to check back that turn particular turn card. It puts so many hands into villain's range that are now beating you. You've got outs vs all of them, but I'd be taking the free card.
[5NLz]AA facing turn x/r w/ NFD Quote
09-19-2018 , 01:17 PM
AsAx is interesting here because we probably block all bluff combos from V. V probably bluffs with some random stuff from time to time, but still.


So we need 1.1/(1.5+1.6+1.1) = 26% equity. We're about 18% to make our flush, so not quite there, but I think implied odds for when we do make the flush make up for it and make this call worthwhile. Add in the fact that V will occasionally be running a crazy bluff or something and it's mandatory I think

As for flop bet, I think it's mandatory. Plenty of draws we're looking to deny equity to and plenty of Qs and Ts will call. Would prefer slightly larger: .75-1 psb. Both Vs could have 9 combos of QT and 3 of 22 but neither should really have QQ or TT so it shouldn't be too worrying

Betting half pot OTT accomplishes nothing. I can see the merit of a small bet (.3 psb) but mostly checking.
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