Thanks for that I guess I was wrong.

If we raise TP what do we do to a 3bet on the flop? Just call and hope Villain doesn’t bomb turn?

Never ever raise this flop. It screams "I'm bluffing!" There are only gut-shot straight draws and zero flush draws. This is a board you float and try to take it away later. You should never ever raise with a set here because only one of 3 ranks of cards can beat you on the turn (8 or 9 or T) so why bluff raise to make someone think you have something you'd never raise with in the first place?

That's some pretty circular logic there.

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That’s not true we can get set over setted as well

If raising screams "I'm bluffing!" then shouldn't we want to raise when we do have a set? He's never going to put us on a set because we have screamed that we are bluffing and therefore we get his whole stack?

Actually no.

No. You want your bluffs to be a small % of your value range. You don't want your value range to be a small % of your bluffing range.

There are no scenarios where we should never ever do something in poker. You can always build a range around some play or exploit a population/player tendency.

My statement was just to show the flaws in your thought process. It is perfectly fine to have a raise range OTF no matter how narrow it would be as long as you are developing both ranges properly and doing things at the right frequencies.

You're right. Against someone who folds to flop bets 80% of the time, sure, bet. But against a thinking player, there is no reason to raise here; he'll call with anything that connects in any way, which is a lot of hands on this flop.

So we should raise our sets.

T9s is a good candidate for a 3-bet bluff preflop, assuming that we know that the villain folds something like half or more of their opens to 3-bets. (195 hands isn't likely to be enough to know this with any certainty, but if we've seen them fold at all, it might be worth taking a shot.)

As played, the flop is so dry that, yeah, the only value hands we would be raising are 77 and 44 (and no, we shouldn't be showing up here with JJ because we shouldn't be flatting a CO open from BTN with JJ). The problem is that there are so few bluffable hands we could have with any equity at all that maybe we should be just calling with our entire continuing range. It's not as if we expect any turn cards to make things worse for our value hands.

So I think the raise on the flop was a mistake; we should be floating and seeing what the turn brings.

As played, definitely fold to the flop 3-bet.

Pretty obvious tp would be a raise/fold.

+1

Our only value raises are sets?Wtf? How about Jx️'s or️'s. 99 or 88 even. Is anyone considering what a CO opening range looks like? This is a 4 handed 6max table.

yeah

I'm pretty sure we should have more bluffs than value on early streets. Why do you think we shouldn't?

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Don't you know? Bluffs are bad for poker.

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it's a crude approximation of the bluff to value ratio on the flop turn and river respectively

I think @artymcfly is pretty spot on here. A lot of viable lines in this spot with none of them being massively more profitable than the other.

I think not having a raising range, even if its a small one, is a mistake because it causes Villain to misplay his hand a lot at these stakes.