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5NL Line Check - Set of Jacks 5NL Line Check - Set of Jacks

05-27-2018 , 12:24 AM
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NL Holdem $0.05(BB)
HJ ($16.33)
CO ($13.46)
BTN ($2.43)
HERO ($5.89)
BB ($5.99)
UTG ($13.16)

Dealt to Hero J J

UTG Folds, HJ Raises To $0.17 (Rem. Stack: 16.16), CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $0.56 (Rem. Stack: 5.33), BB Calls $0.51 (Rem. Stack: 5.43), HJ Folds

Flop ($1.29) T 6 5
HERO Checks, BB Checks

Turn ($1.29) T 6 5 J
HERO Bets $0.64 (Rem. Stack: 4.69), BB Calls $0.64 (Rem. Stack: 4.79)

River ($2.57) T 6 5 J Q
HERO Bets $2 (Rem. Stack: 2.69), BB Raises To $4 (Rem. Stack: 0.79), HERO Folds

V is unknown.

JJ is fairly high up in my range in this configuration. I will have AsQs, AK (with a spade), KsQs, QQ, sometimes 8d9d, and occasionally hands like As4s/As3s. Folded because I don't beat anything but a bluffs and I'm not convinced that players bluff enough on these runouts.
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05-27-2018 , 12:34 AM
Bet flop.
Why did you pick this size ott? I think close to pot is much better for reasons.
River's fine.
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05-27-2018 , 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
Bet flop.
Why did you pick this size ott? I think close to pot is much better for reasons.
We want some overs in our checking range, no? JJ seemed like a decent choice, players show up with QQ+ sometimes here. I can bet it in the future.

I wasn't sure what to bet ott. I don't think his bb ccall range has many offsuit hands other than pp, so I was thinking way ahead/behind.
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05-27-2018 , 02:04 AM
I misread the hand. Thought MP flatted. I stand by my strategy there though. From my experience in that game, people cold call 3-bets extremely wide* because they're very reluctant to give away $0.05.

*extremely wide in comparison to other games I've played. These people are ****ing awful. Get value.
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05-27-2018 , 02:34 AM
JJ is probably too vulnerable to over cards to be checking flop here I think. Maybe checking AA and KK sometimes here is ok. Lots of Ax suited, AQo, AJo A10o, Kx suited, KQo and to a lesser degree Qx suited here which you want to protect against and getting them to fold out equity here is a great result.

Also, checking with a spade of some sort (whether it is in this spot or when you have a bigger pair) is going to be better here than checking without one since you have a blocker to the flush draws in their range.

As played, on turn, I agree with .iso that the bet has to be bigger here. Gotta make the flush draws pay on that turn. Any other J, you can probably bet smaller.

River is yuck but gotta fold I suppose.
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05-27-2018 , 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by simplelessons
We want some overs in our checking range, no? JJ seemed like a decent choice, players show up with QQ+ sometimes here. I can bet it in the future.
Like the poster above said, we should still bet this flop since our hand is vulnerable from Ax, Kx, Qx. Even with AA with no spade blocker and KK I would still bet flop. AA with spade blocker is the best hand to include in our checking range.

River is well played.
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05-27-2018 , 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by NormaJeane
AA with spade blocker is the best hand to include in our checking range.
Without a spade actually.
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05-27-2018 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Ojune
Without a spade actually.
Why?
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05-27-2018 , 02:42 PM
because we want to put money in the pot with hands that have the most equity
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05-27-2018 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Ojune
because we want to put money in the pot with hands that have the most equity
huh?

Oh Ojune you're not making sense
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05-27-2018 , 03:53 PM
to you
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05-27-2018 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
I misread the hand. Thought MP flatted. I stand by my strategy there though. From my experience in that game, people cold call 3-bets extremely wide* because they're very reluctant to give away $0.05.

*extremely wide in comparison to other games I've played. These people are ****ing awful. Get value.
Are we potting turn because we wont be betting very often?
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05-27-2018 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by NormaJeane
huh?

Oh Ojune you're not making sense
He's saying we should bet with more equity. He's assuming that we have more equity vs. villains range w/A than without. He's probably correct.

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Originally Posted by simplelessons
Are we potting turn because we wont be betting very often?
My main reason is we have all the Jacks which means most of his range will consist of draws. This is $5nl, draws aren't folding. Get value.
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05-27-2018 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
He's saying we should bet with more equity. He's assuming that we have more equity vs. villains range w/A than without. He's probably correct.
I see. And I agree with both of you that we have more equity when we have the A

But my reasoning is, when I want to include AA in my checking range on this flop, I'm more inclined to check when I have the A because villain now has lesser combos of fd's.
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