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Old 03-12-2018, 07:09 AM   #1
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5NL line check

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (MP): 166.6 BB
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 14.81, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 27)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 13.54, 3Bet Preflop: 4.88, Hands: 96)
SB: 71.4 BB (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
BB: 193.4 BB (VPIP: 40.35, PFR: 31.58, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 58)
UTG: 101.6 BB (VPIP: 9.84, PFR: 6.56, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 63)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q Q

fold, Hero raises to 2.4 BB, fold, BTN calls 2.4 BB, fold, BB calls 1.4 BB

Flop: (7.6 BB, 3 players) 7 9 T
BB checks, Hero bets 5.4 BB, fold, BB calls 5.4 BB

Turn: (18.4 BB, 2 players) 4
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (18.4 BB, 2 players) 3
BB bets 8.8 BB, Hero calls 8.8 BB


Is this a good spot to check the turn with an overpair for pot control/checkrange protection or should I just be betting it? This opponent was active and aggressive postflop.
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Old 03-12-2018, 07:49 AM   #2
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Re: 5NL line check

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...Is this a good spot to check the turn with an overpair for pot control/checkrange protection or should I just be betting it? This opponent was active and aggressive postflop.
No

U wanna get value and the turn card doesn't change anything.

Good sizing OTF btw.
Turn is a bet
And river most likely a value bet.

U wanna play these hands str8forward and get them values.
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Old 03-12-2018, 09:21 AM   #3
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Re: 5NL line check

You should bet turn. As played i would call.
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Old 03-12-2018, 09:48 AM   #4
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Re: 5NL line check

I don't hate it, but at 5NL against a guy who seems like he's calling too much I think you can b/f turn with impunity.
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Old 03-12-2018, 10:11 AM   #5
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Re: 5NL line check

Ok thanks guys. So you think I should fold to a raise when I do bet? Not enough players turning draws into bluffs on the turn OOP in the NL5 player pool?
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Old 03-12-2018, 10:17 AM   #6
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Re: 5NL line check

I would on this board.
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Old 03-13-2018, 01:12 AM   #7
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Ok thanks guys. So you think I should fold to a raise when I do bet? Not enough players turning draws into bluffs on the turn OOP in the NL5 player pool?
I think this might be the case on 5NL and even at 25NL...
But, it certainly is villain depented, board texture, etc...
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Old 03-13-2018, 01:58 AM   #8
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Re: 5NL line check

OP, if you want to "check range protection", you should check flop. I'm not advocating checking flop though. Bet flop and then bet turn.

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Not enough players turning draws into bluffs on the turn OOP in the NL5 player pool?
As AZZ said, it's villain dependent. Lacking a read, assume your villain's passive because play at micros is generally very passive.
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Old 03-13-2018, 02:08 AM   #9
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Re: 5NL line check

I think it depends on the player in the BB. If you have a bad player in BB, you should definitely raise every street for value. If it's a tight player, you should maybe check the turn and throw a value bet on the river when checked back.
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Old 03-14-2018, 12:44 AM   #10
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Re: 5NL line check

Yeah, bet that turn after flop bet. If I did I might or might not check back that river. Maybe make a 1/3 pot bet there or something.

In other words, I'd probably triple barrel .
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Old 03-14-2018, 08:06 AM   #11
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Re: 5NL line check

thanks for the responses. It just seems like everytime I go for 3 streets in a spot like this I am running into a strong hand. I think betting turn/checking river would be the better option if that is the route I want to go though.

I also wouldn't typically fold to a raise on the turn but after reading the answers here and thinking about it some, I can see why at these stakes that makes sense. This particular opponent was doing a lot of check/raising and so I'd probably be calling him down but in general this is a spot that is raised for value way more than as a semi-bluff and I will have some stronger hands to continue with.
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Old 03-14-2018, 09:01 AM   #12
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Re: 5NL line check

it's ok especially if your opponent is capable of checkraising a somewhat balanced range, obviously we do need to protecc our turn checking range as well and we need a bet/check/bet range

You shouldn't be too eager to bet bet bet too thinly IP (unlike OOP) and you should pretty much never bet 1/3 pot ip on the river unless it's all in
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Old 03-14-2018, 01:32 PM   #13
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You shouldn't be too eager to bet bet bet too thinly IP (unlike OOP) and you should pretty much never bet 1/3 pot ip on the river unless it's all in
You can do it to target the weaker showdown value type stuff that would otherwise fold while not valuetowning yourself too much vs two pair or something. You do have to be ready to call bluff x/r's from regs who see a small bet and raise like a monkey though.
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Old 03-14-2018, 01:40 PM   #14
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Re: 5NL line check

Well theoretically at least, you should never do it. It opens yourself to get raised for too small of a reward.

Now ofc like every line in poker, you can always justify it with the right assumtions. Can this guy bluffraise or not? I don't know.
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Old 03-14-2018, 01:54 PM   #15
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Re: 5NL line check

That's fair. It does take a certain "feel", for lack of a better word, whether someone is capable of it which is hard to account for theory-wise. That's why I threw in that it's probably a x but I would consider a smallish bet. I just switch back and forth a lot between what I believe to be correct theory based play and exploitative play based on what I think villain is doing in the moment.
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Old 03-14-2018, 01:58 PM   #16
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Re: 5NL line check

I'm going to go all BDQD here and say: stop over complicating it and get some goddamned value.
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Old 03-14-2018, 02:01 PM   #17
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Well switch no more, betting 1/3 isn't theoretically correct. And theoretically optimal plays are based on what a hypothetical supervillain (playing theoretically optimal as well) does, not what your actual villain does.
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