What do you think about preflop (and about postflop)? the original 3bettor is playing a 38/24 game with a 14% 3B (10/72 hands)
and anyways I think this spot pf is a 4bet against most good opponents as well?

I thought about min raising the donk bet on the flop just to see what he has and where I stand , and to prevent him maybe from firing the turn?

Thank you!


Yatahay Network - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 67.2 BB
CO: 343.2 BB
Hero (BTN): 201.4 BB
SB: 101 BB
BB: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J J

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3.2 BB, SB raises to 9.4 BB, BB calls 8.4 BB, Hero raises to 30 BB, fold, BB calls 20.6 BB

Flop: (69.4 BB, 2 players) T Q 8
BB bets 6.2 BB, Hero calls 6.2 BB

Turn: (81.8 BB, 2 players) T
BB bets 40.6 BB, fold

BB wins 77.8 BB

JJ is good enough for 4bet vs loose SB. But your size is not standard and not good in my eyes. It is better to just shove pre. I think ~23bb is a good size. You can use bluffs. With this 30bb almost only for value and postflop will be difficult with this SPR. On many boards...

Don't do "min raise for info". This is just a silly move. You don't know nothing realy after this. And you do this "for info".

You can go All in OTF. But I prefer just to call.

OTT the problem is the size. Very ugly...Actyally if he go All in here, will be better for you. And for call. But you must raise . For what? For value, for "defence"? I prefer fold. As played...

Thanks!

I understand I probably need to size up smaller pf, but that then I figured that sb is gonna call a pretty wide range against a small 4B and bb as well probably if he calls. and then I will have a hard time playing on any Q/K/A high board when the pot is almost 70BB...
I'm also not very good in multiway pots, especially with JJ.
Is my thought process wrong?

I can't understand your logic. You want FE preflop. And the pot will be 47bb OTF with 23bb size, not 70bb. With "your size" 60bb. Why you want high FE with such a hand!? Ok, whatever. If you think like that, maybe is better to just use "shove strategy" vs loose player. 15% resteal and more...Also with some low pocket pairs, suited Ax. And NAI 4bet only for value.
There are a lot a strategies for 4bet. A lot of things. Just type "4bet" and you will see. And some strategies are really dumb. From PS for example. You can't use value /bluff 50/50, if you have AK in your range. The bluff range must be ~1/3 only. I mean read and think. Don't trust so easy. Most of this writers are with wooden heads.