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02-16-2018 , 02:14 AM
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NL Holdem $0.05(BB)
BB ($9.21)
UTG ($2.59)
HJ ($7.09)
HERO ($5)
BTN ($6.65)
SB ($5.88)

Dealt to Hero 2 2

UTG Calls $0.05 (Rem. Stack: 2.54), HJ Folds, HERO Calls $0.05 (Rem. Stack: 4.95), BTN Folds, SB Raises To $0.18 (Rem. Stack: 5.68), BB Calls $0.15 (Rem. Stack: 9.01), UTG Calls $0.15 (Rem. Stack: 2.39), HERO Calls $0.15 (Rem. Stack: 4.80)

Flop ($0.80) 2 7 7
SB Bets $0.8 (Rem. Stack: 4.88), BB Folds, UTG Folds, HERO Calls $0.8 (Rem. Stack: 4.00)

Turn ($2.40) 2 7 7 7
SB Bets $2.4 (Rem. Stack: 2.48), HERO Folds

Choose to limp behind pre because I don't really want to iso this hand vs a short stack player and I don't mind if a deeper stack comes along in the blinds. Don't think we can fold vs the raise given the insane pot odds and our implied odds.

OTF I think smooth calling is pretty much the best option. V's hand is pretty face up as an over pair when SB pots vs 4 players. I don't think we really need a raising range on this texture. That being said, its pretty unlikely SB is folding an over pair, is this a spot where we can make an exploitative raise?

OTT we get a pretty horrible card and V pots again. I don't see how we can continue likely drawing to 1 out.
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02-16-2018 , 02:26 AM
If you're folding that turn then you should be raising the flop.

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02-16-2018 , 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by nonsimplesimon
If you're folding that turn then you should be raising the flop.
hehe this is nice.
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02-16-2018 , 05:52 AM
Id raise the flop simply because the bet is so small in relation to the pot.
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02-16-2018 , 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by nonsimplesimon
If you're folding that turn then you should be raising the flop.

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Depends. I can get behind a raise if you know villain stacks off with mid pocket pairs or spazzes with AK. If you are trying to balance, I can’t think of enough bluffs / value hands to actually have a raising range. Raising all sets makes your calling range weak.

As played, it’s a good fold. Worst card in the deck to counterfeit your boat.
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02-16-2018 , 08:49 AM
not sure why this is a thread, very clear-cut decisions
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02-16-2018 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by nonsimplesimon
If you're folding that turn then you should be raising the flop.
How do you get to that conclusion? We should raise flop because we might have to fold if one of the 2 worst cards in the deck come on the turn?

@Feng Shui It was a pot sized bet.
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02-16-2018 , 11:54 AM
Do you have any bluff raises otf? Do you think you need any?
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02-16-2018 , 01:16 PM
Not sure what's going on in this thread. Villain's bet OTF is a PSB, and raising OTF because two of the remaining cards in the deck are bad isn't really much of a reason.

I'd play the hand the same and don't have a raising range on this texture vs. a PSB. It's a dry board, villain has range advantage (and is going to double barrel very often), we're in position, and we can get stacks in fairly easily if we decide we want to.
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02-17-2018 , 12:22 AM
I believe in fast playing and taking value at the moment. I wouldn't do that heads up versus the dudes in this forum at 25nl and up (as James pointed out) but versus your average 5nl player who advertises he's got a big hand and will pay off I say lets go. That's the whole reason for coming in because we will get paid off right? The hand is obviously vulnerable so I say take value while we got it. I made my initial statement because by just check calling he still can have hands like AK and maybe AQs in his range so its still possible we folded the best hand - but his range is mostly big pp combos so yeah nice lay down op as played ott.

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Last edited by nonsimplesimon; 02-17-2018 at 12:37 AM.
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02-17-2018 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBJames
Not sure what's going on in this thread. Villain's bet OTF is a PSB, and raising OTF because two of the remaining cards in the deck are bad isn't really much of a reason.

I'd play the hand the same and don't have a raising range on this texture vs. a PSB. It's a dry board, villain has range advantage (and is going to double barrel very often), we're in position, and we can get stacks in fairly easily if we decide we want to.
This exactly. As dry as a board gets there. Played well.
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02-17-2018 , 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by simplelessons
How do you get to that conclusion? We should raise flop because we might have to fold if one of the 2 worst cards in the deck come on the turn?
Just for the records, as you/others talking about these 2 cards...
from your own OP :
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Originally Posted by simplelessons
OTF I think smooth calling is pretty much the best option. V's hand is pretty face up as an over pair
If Villain's hand is an overpair, it's not 2 cards you're dreading, it's 4. You don't know what the other 2 are, doesn't mean they don't exist.

Any pair 3's to A's has 17% against your hand. That's about half as good as flush draw.

Doesn't change much to the math tho, just thought it was worth pointing it out.
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02-17-2018 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by emibg
Just for the records, as you/others talking about these 2 cards...
from your own OP :

If Villain's hand is an overpair, it's not 2 cards you're dreading, it's 4. You don't know what the other 2 are, doesn't mean they don't exist.

Any pair 3's to A's has 17% against your hand. That's about half as good as flush draw.

Doesn't change much to the math tho, just thought it was worth pointing it out.
My take was that on the 7s we can fold and on the other 2 cards we get stacked because we can't know which ones help V. In that sense 7's are the worst card because we have to lay down a boat.
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02-17-2018 , 12:00 PM
Hey simple, what's the worst hand you call otf?
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02-17-2018 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
Hey simple, what's the worst hand you call otf?
I'm not sure. My limp pre was exploitative vs the passive population. I'd fold 33 and 44. Maybe 67s if I played it this way.
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