V is 13/8, ftcb 75, I assume he is typical weak tight and should fold 1 pair hands vs overbet. V should have 2-3 BDF combos since he doesn't like to float, and plenty of jx + overpair so I think I am printing money here. What you guys think?

What if he backdoored a flush? Maybe something like JQ of hearts ?

The problem with shoving AKs here is that you make your shoving range extremely weak. You're simply bluff shoving too many hands. You have no removal here as you're blocking the type of hand you want him to have.

If you're going to bluff, then bet a more reasonable amount. For example, there should be no difference in calling range between a $2 bet and a $4 bet for your opponent based on your given assumption.

What are you trying to represent?

If he's weak tight and doesn't float much, that suggests he either flopped a draw (say AQdd/ATdd/KQdd) or a hand he wants to take to showdown (AJ/KJ/QQ). He would likely fold hands like 88-TT or non-diamond AQ/AT type hands.

When you check the turn you're repping either a missed hand or a hand you want to exercise pot control with. You're not repping JJ/KK/AA there.

Then you way overshove the river. The problem is if you had something like AKhh/AQhh, you probably would have bet the turn. And even if you wouldn't have bet the turn, would you shove the river with a flush? Or would you try to get some value?

Bottom line is from villain's perspective your story doesn't make much sense. It looks like a bluff. You 3b pre, your CB got called, you slowed down on the turn, and then on the river realised you either push him off or lose at showdown. If he has a hand with showdown value he has good reasons to call.

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Yeah, pretty much everything Darth Maul said.

The only made hands your bluff really represents are AK hearts and KQ diamonds, both of which would likely bet the turn (along with all the overpairs).

Not to mention, villain could easily have either of those diamonds himself, or the ace of hearts, making your story even less likely.

I'm all for pushing a scared passive player off top pair, but if that is the game plan, then keep barrelling instead of the check-shove.

On the turn you can represent AA,KK,QQ, AK diamonds, AK hearts, and a set of jacks if he somehow doesn't block it. So why would you check it against someone who hates calling off stacks with single pairs?

True but I'm pretty sure if i posted this from v perspective and v had QQ people would be like "just fold", would they not? People do take weird lines all the time and if you call big seemingly random river bets you will just get owned unless you know postflop tendencies very well. V is not the type of guy to speculate or try to figure out his opponent's lines. I could also very easily check the turn with a bdfd if I think v is sticky enough and I just want a free card. FWIW V showed KJhh. Also I think my sizing gets more folds since it gives them a very bad price to bluff catch, whereas if I make it like 3/4 pot people are more likely to station.

IDK what you are checking the turn with that overbet ships the river. You are pretty much always going to be barrelling hearts, diamonds and sets, maybe checking overpairs to pot control OOP, which you are likely not shipping in on the river. May work against the nit donks but against anyone with half a brain i think you are getting snapped

There just aren't really any value hands in your range that aren't betting the turn imo

bigger 3bet pre, check most of this flops since guy in the middle is gonna have a lot of JX combos more than your 3bet range, you shouldn't plan a bluff if you can't play your value the same.

also that overbet 4.1 to win 2 that's not printing money that's throwing money to the toilet, some times villain will have sets and even call you with 2 pairs, your bluff is horribro.

This kind of move might have more success in a tournament when you can put villain to a decision for his tourney life. But in a cash game it's just too easy to make the call and reload if he's wrong.

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I doubt it. Again, your story doesn't make sense. An overbet shove is a bluff or the nuts. And you can't really have the nuts.


Your sizing gets more folds, but it NEEDS more folds. And both sizes get folds from busted draws for the most part.

Again, if you are going to keep going at the pot, barrel. Checking the turn makes any river bet suspicious.

x/f river imo

Do you ever jam like this for value?

BTNs range hits this board pretty well. I don't think we jam here.