Ignition - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): 100 BB
BTN: 91 BB
SB: 132.98 BB
BB: 90 BB
UTG: 143.68 BB
MP: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A 4

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, BTN calls 2.5 BB, SB calls 2 BB, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (10 BB, 4 players) 3 4 T
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets 10.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero?

So shoving the flop here probably isn't a thing in GTO play. But this guy has a broken stack, cold-called on the button, and then bet huge on a 4way flop. It seems safe to say that he isn't thinking straight. Is it time to max exploit this guy with a huge shove?

1. Don't put so much thought into broken stacks in Zone poker, especially when it's not too far off 100BBs. This guy could have just lost the previous hand and not had a chance to top up.

2. Cold calling on the BTN is fine.


What are you exploiting?

Fish tendency to bet pot with ATC multiway after SB, BB and CO check?

We have ~45% v BU's weird perfect value range. If we include randos and folds suspect we're good enough.

Newguyhere, you left out:

3. He bet huge on the 4way flop.

To me, clicking pot and then adding an extra bb on this board looked spazzy. It's the combination of the 3 factors that leads me to feel pretty confident that he is a rec, but this was the biggest factor for me.

I am exploiting the fact that a rec will be far less likely to interpret my shove correctly. If you and I are playing in a non-anonymous game and you see me overshove a similar flop, you would likely think I had a big draw that wants to realize its equity, avoid being bluffed out by the river, and hopefully push some pairs out. But this guy might genuinely think I have a monster and fold some of his pairs. I also worried that his huge flop bet is a preview of some more large betting on future streets. I am obv not able to call down unimproved if he is bluffing.

So I felt like it was unusually likely that villain would bet huge or even shove the turn given his flop sizing, and it occurred to me to just shove my huge draw right now to avoid this potential disaster. I also felt like villain was most likely to have a single pair. TT probably 3bets pre, I block 44, and that just leaves 33. But then I instinctively rejected the idea since it is so far from GTO play. Turn is the 9 of brick, and sure enough villain shoves. I have to fold my huge draw. Villain had Ts9d and spiked 2 pair on the turn. I was pretty annoyed with myself for being a GTO slave and just calling the flop. I guess I could also have made a normal check-raise, but I suspect I would have just been stationed.

Here, you are the opener. Everyone else calls.

I would have bet the flop (if nothing drops multiway, I check, but you have options here).

The flop favors your range, being the opener. sim the hand, and do each position vs you.

You were passive on the flop, betting here in my book would have been more productive.

i also prefer a small flop bet since the only player behind you is a rec and its not like he's gonna punish you. you don't need to be balanced here or whatever. once you check though i like the jam yea

Can’t we just cbet?

On the flop check... I have been watching almost all of the RIO coaches range check vs. in position cold-callers multiway, so I have been trying to get good at it myself. I am only a few weeks into it, so I still butcher it a lot though.

That is nice, but go over your hands (you have everyone's hole cards, even the ones you don't play in), and see who really checks that much equity.

PS, the rng on Ignition is action based. Each action produces a separate run. Which means the board is not determined until play is completed for the flop, then turn. This is cash game only, I believe tourney boards are all pre determined (from what I can tell).

As much as I usually would advocate a range check multiway when oop vs a caller, I think on this specific flop vs this specific villain, you can actually go for a (low frequency) cbet. Reason being, I don't think this villain will be playing perfect ranges (due to broken stack, I'd assume most people not using auto-top up will not be playing very good ranges), so I reckon TT would mainly be a 3bet pre, and 44/33 mainly folds. So, BTN shouldn't have many sets at all, and none of the players should have any 2 pairs. So, I reckon here you actually have enough of an advantage to cbet. As I don't think you'll have many better draws on this flop (other than 6d5d), and you can have all the sets, I think a cbet would actually be pretty reasonable.

SB and BB are a little more concerning. Even though TT should mainly be 3betting, and 44/33 mixing calling and folding, 44/33 are probably a fairly large (relatively speaking) proportion of a well-constructed SB and BB calling range. Looking at the GTO wizard ranges, 44 and 33 represent roughly 12 and 5% respectively of their calling range (accounting for the 4 and 3 otf). There isn't much else they can raise for value though, so I think you can actually have a small cbet range here.

Once BTN bets and it gets back to you, I do think a jam is a pretty good play with this specific hand, as well as 6d5d, even though this one is better. As BTN should have so few sets, and the worst equity you can get with this hand vs anything else (even AA or T3s) villain can have is about 48%.You also won't have much more than 52% equity vs villain's one pair hands, so it is a very good result for you if villain folds all of these (which should really be all his value range). The only issue is villain folds all of their bluffs, but as your hand is too weak to bluff catch another street (without improving), that's not as big an issue as it could be. You should also still have plenty of draws that you can continue with, so I don't think taking a slightly exploitative line with a couple of specific combos in this specific situation would be too much of an issue.

But obviously calling and raising smaller are both also pretty good.

idk id be pretty excited to just call the flop and mostly call but shove some turns depending on texture / his sizing. you have pretty ok showdown value, you have decent-good equity vs his likely betting range, ok equity vs his stack off range, and if hes bluffing you have very good equity and likely some decent implied odds on a diamond / maybe ace. i feel like this is similar to the q8o hand you posted where u just start panicking when they pot the flop and sim out the entire hand in your head where theyre going to keep betting big and you cant possibly call big bets with your hand so you want to shove a middle stregnth hand into a polarized range to avoid making decisions. if you're going to put the money in in those scenarios you do better by keeping his bluffs in, not folding them out imo. if he really just runs it every time and keeps potting stronger region of hands are going to absolutely print and hes going to die vs your range.