Ignition - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 115.8 BB
UTG: 215.68 BB
MP: 123.44 BB
CO: 180.84 BB
Hero (BTN): 100.7 BB
SB: 61.6 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 Q

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, SB raises to 4 BB, fold, Hero calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (9 BB, 2 players) 3 3 8
SB bets 8.56 BB, Hero?

I find that these pot-sized flop bets from rec players are most often followed up by more large bets. Since I am so often going to have to fold the turn anyway, does it make sense to just get away from my hand ASAP?

With no reads at all on the blinds, Q8os could be a fold here I feel. It's at the bottom of the opening range I'd think unless you have info that the blinds overfold in these spots. Folding to the 3 bet would be OK too I think, because you then put yourself in this position by calling it. As played you hit the flop with your hand on a dry flop If he didn't have it PF, he doesn't have it now either. So if you aren't going to peel here IP, then I don't think you should've called the 3 bet PF. With no information and position I'd be calling to see what he does on the turn. This is the challenge with playing these spots with absolutely no information on your opponents. With no info, I don't like to get myself into these iffy spots. With history, HUD stats, etc., you can play them much more confidently and profitably.

Despite the price, I'm not a fan of calling 3bets with unsuited hands that are easily dominated.

I would rather call 87o

Same. And I am not opening BU with less than Q9o. its great if the steal works, but if someone calls, you are looking for luck.

i would open fold but once you raise you can't fold any of your range to that min 3b when you're IP. do not fold flop.

I would be interested in knowing how often villains have it when they pot the flop in a 3bet pot.

I also have this feeling that we end up folding turn super often to a big bet. Maybe someone with a big enough database could shed some light.

Ofc we call the 3-bet pre when it's a min raise.

I am surprised that people are recommending folding to a miniature 3bet. I was pretty sure we are supposed to continue with our whole range here. It's definitely true in limit holdem, but the reverse implied odds are obv a lot less of a problem in that game.

Does anyone like a flop shove given that we are somewhat shallow and there are so many bad turns? If this player folds 2 overcards, that is pretty nice. And I think we might get some pretty shocking calls with stuff like AKo or 55. It also prevent us from getting bluffed if villain shoves a scary turn.

So I felt like the turn was going to be almost unplayable, so I actually considered shoving the flop since we are a bit shallow. As my clock wound down, I changed my mind and just folded. Maybe my perception of the turn being unplayable is the problem here? I just really felt like I needed to be ready to get it in on the turn if I called the flop. Anyway, villain had AdTc and I screwed myself lol. Maybe I just need to stop assuming the pot-sized betting rec players are going to auto-fire the turn. I think I am also just super tilted by these tiny pre-flop raises. Thanks for the help everyone!

I think if you find yourself shoving a flop like this because you fear playing the turn and river, you probably should make sure you just don't put yourself into situations like this in the future. I'm not sure why you'd shove the flop as worse probably isn't calling unless like you said he's willing to stack off with like 55 or just blow it all with AK here, which you don't know. And better is never folding. So I'm not sure what the shove accomplishes other than you now not having to play any poker on the turn or river. And again, if that's your fear, I'd try not to get yourself in these situations. I think the way it went down you should call the flop and see what happens on the turn. You have position, use it wisely.

Saw this after you'd already posted results, but there's no way you can fold either pre or flop. The odds are so ridiculously good pre that there is no hand you can fold, even more so being IP. Then, top pair on that flop is just too good to fold. Pot sized bets from recs don't always mean they have something. For some recs, they'll bet large when bluffing and smaller with value, for example. If the turn comes and you're facing another psb, you can consider a fold, but even then, I'm not sure you should fold, just consider it. But pre and otf, I don't think you should be thinking about folding.

why is the turn unplayable? you can call down on probably any run out, you have top pair in a 3b pot 60 bb deep. i don't think you should call this light pre if you're going to end up folding something like 90% of our range (maybe more?) to one bet. i know that you cant know he's going to pot the flop in advance but regardless of pot odds offered pre it doesnt seem like you're going to be comfortable playing marginal hands in reraised pots without initiative.