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50NL Balancing c bets in 3B pot OOP: PART 1 (range changed) 50NL Balancing c bets in 3B pot OOP: PART 1 (range changed)

02-21-2018 , 03:52 PM
[converted_hand][hand_history]Merge, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
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Hero (SB): $59.94 (119.9 bb)
BB: $40 (80 bb)
CO: $30.92 (61.8 bb)
BTN: $50.00 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with range: 77+,A2s+,K9s+,QTs+,J9s+,T9s,98s,ATo+,KJo+
CO folds, BTN raises to $1.43, Hero raises to $5, BB folds, BTN calls $3.57

Flop: ($10.50) 7 2 9 (2 players)

This is a 3B spot sb vs bu. BB is a LAG player. BU is an unknown Reg and flats the 3b. I will be creating a range for each street of betting while narrowing villain's range starting on the turn. Each street will be 1/2 psb with a bluff shoving range by the river. Thanks for the help.

Value: 77-QQ,A9s,K9s,AdAc,AsAc,KdKs,KdKc,KsKc,AdAs (42/195 combos)

Bluffs: ATs,A2s-A5s,KTs,QTs,JTs,ATo,AhKc,AcKh,AhKs,AhKd,AhKh,AdKd, AdKh,AcQh,AsQh,AhQs,AhQd,AdQh,AdQd,AhQc,AdJd,AhJh, AhJs,AhJc,AhJd,Ad8d,Ad6d,KcQh,KsQh,KhQc,KhQs,KhQd, KdQh,KhQh,KdQd,KdJd,KhJc,KhJs,KhJd,KhJh,QhJh,QdJd, AsKh ( 80/195 combos)

Check/call: A7s,J9s,T9s,98s,AhAs,AhAc,AhQh,Ah8h,Ah6h,KdKh,KhKs ,KhKc,AdAh ( 21/195 combos)

Original post had did not have enough check/calls in its range and so it was changed. https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/6...1-3-a-1704472/

Once this range has been OK'd I will continue with the turn card and narrowing our range here. I will also start to narrow down villain's range on the turn also.
I'm not sure how to post pictures of the ranges.
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02-22-2018 , 06:46 AM
I was going to say in reaction to your first post that I love the xc with your over pair combos that contain a heart since villian is unlikely to have one and therefore he'd find it difficult to continue a majority of the time and we are less concerned with giving a free card while he bets with a wide range.

Conversely - I feel that it might be better to bet your non heart top pair 9x combos for value and protection since he has more hearts in his range and our hand is vulnerable. I am uneasy with xc more than two streets with say 9s8s here.

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Last edited by nonsimplesimon; 02-22-2018 at 06:56 AM.
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02-22-2018 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by nonsimplesimon
I was going to say in reaction to your first post that I love the xc with your over pair combos that contain a heart since villian is unlikely to have one and therefore he'd find it difficult to continue a majority of the time and we are less concerned with giving a free card while he bets with a wide range.

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I agree with this, I like it too.

This range looks better, I would just tweak it in a couple of places. I think I would 3bet wider pre... 97s/T8s/76s/22-66 etc. How are you playing 22-66 pre flop? Folding seems too nitty vs a button open and I think your flatting range could be too narrow.
One problem with your bluffing range is that it's very broadway heavy. If, for example, the turn is the 5 then only A3 and A4 have picked up equity. This goes back to pre flop where if you have a slightly wider range then you'll have a better range of hands to hit different boards (without going crazy of course ).
I would almost always x/c the nut flush draw on the flop. Of the 10 combos you've x/c A6 and A8 whereas I would probably check 8 or 9 combos. A2hh is a slam dunk check imo.
What about a x/r range? Is that something you've left out to make the exercise easier? I think 97s and T8 would make good check/raises.
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02-22-2018 , 02:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nonsimplesimon
I was going to say in reaction to your first post that I love the xc with your over pair combos that contain a heart since villian is unlikely to have one and therefore he'd find it difficult to continue a majority of the time and we are less concerned with giving a free card while he bets with a wide range.

Conversely - I feel that it might be better to bet your non heart top pair 9x combos for value and protection since he has more hearts in his range and our hand is vulnerable. I am uneasy with xc more than two streets with say 9s8s here.

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All of our top pair 9x do not contain a . I chose only to check/call the 9x that obtain equity on the turn with draws. Then I chose the strongest 9x to bet/protect since there are a lot of terrible turn cards.
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02-22-2018 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Harry155
I agree with this, I like it too.

This range looks better, I would just tweak it in a couple of places. I think I would 3bet wider pre... 97s/T8s/76s/22-66 etc. How are you playing 22-66 pre flop? Folding seems too nitty vs a button open and I think your flatting range could be too narrow.
One problem with your bluffing range is that it's very broadway heavy. If, for example, the turn is the 5 then only A3 and A4 have picked up equity. This goes back to pre flop where if you have a slightly wider range then you'll have a better range of hands to hit different boards (without going crazy of course ).
I would almost always x/c the nut flush draw on the flop. Of the 10 combos you've x/c A6 and A8 whereas I would probably check 8 or 9 combos. A2hh is a slam dunk check imo.
What about a x/r range? Is that something you've left out to make the exercise easier? I think 97s and T8 would make good check/raises.
I would only 3B 22-66 sb vs bu reg that 4bet bluffs a lot, to ship over with 5b. Vs an unknown reg I left those hands out of my range here.

I will add some more x/c then continue with the exercise.

I don't have a x/r range in a 3bet pot vs unknown reg. Maybe if we knew villain stabs too much vs missed c bets in 3bet pots I would go ahead and build that range.
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