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50NL:auto call on riv? 50NL:auto call on riv?
View Poll Results: Auto call?
yah
2 20.00%
noooo
8 80.00%

12-04-2007 , 09:27 AM
New to the table, no reads yet.

Prima Network No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

MP ($87.19)
Button ($21.33)
SB ($49.50)
Hero ($90.43)
UTG ($36.26)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, 7.
1 foldMP raises to $2[/color], Button calls $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.50.

Flop: ($6.25) T, 4, 4 (3 players) Hero checks, MP bets $4, Button folds, Hero calls $4.

Turn: ($14.25) K (2 players) Hero checks, MP checks.

River: ($14.25) 2 (2 players) Hero checks, MP bets $8, Hero auto calls?

Last edited by billip62; 12-04-2007 at 09:30 AM.
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12-04-2007 , 09:37 AM
as played, no, fold the river
you cant profitably make calls like this to unknown opponents OOP.

if you want to play middle pocket pairs for more than set value, as you seem to want to do here, raise this flop and then fire again on turn.
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12-04-2007 , 09:39 AM
As played I would call, but I would probably c/r the flop after the button folded tbh because the flop is unlikely to have hit him and would like to sort the hand out there and then.

Last edited by CruciaX; 12-04-2007 at 09:56 AM.
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12-04-2007 , 10:08 AM
Why get fancy with 77? You called for set value and didn't hit. Even though you might be ahead on the flop, RIO and bad position make your call on the flop horrible. You need to either raise or fold.

The river is a fold. Any T, K, 4, and overpair to yours beats you. It's just not worth the effort and money.
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12-04-2007 , 10:33 AM
As played I would call, but I agree: if I'll go ahead in that hand after flop I'll c\r flop.
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12-04-2007 , 10:58 AM
I think the c/r on the flop is largely dependent on the average player on the site given the lack of villain specific reads. Lately I've seen ALOT of crazy allins and I can't count on a weaker hand folding to the c/r. That said if I had any certainty that this player was not a maniac then I would absolutely c/r here.

As the action played out I really don't believe the villain has a pair, the check on the turn almost always means that it's not a 10 and I doubt a 4 checks behind with the action card hitting the turn. It would be a really tricky play to check behind a king rather than going for value, but not a bad move.

The other argument I have against the c/r on the flop against an unknown is pot control, if my c/r gets called it could still be over cards and no pair and I'm suddenly playing a huge pot oop with a really marginal hand that will probably not make it to showdown.

I'm surprised I'm catching this much heat for the flop play, it seems like a perfectly reasonable time to float. Is floating all together wrong at 50NL?
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12-04-2007 , 11:07 AM
Grunch.

If you want to find out where you are, bet out with your 77's. Don't check call. If you make a solid bet around 3/4-Pot and get called you are done with the hand. This isn't a terrible board to fire at with your 77's but it's a horrible board to check call OOP. If you bet and shutdown you've lost one bet early in the hand. If you check call, and then call a river bet, you end up calling two bets and don't have a clue what the villian has. The main problem I would have firing at this pot though, is that it is multi-way, and T's hit a lot of hands (AT, KT, QT, JT, T9, T8s). I'd probably prefer a c/r, and then shutdown if called.

My real preference is to fold to the flop bet. He has fired into two players (albeit on a great board for him to c-bet into two players). You are going to have trouble floating OOP and when villian bets the river, he could be betting AT, KT (least likely), QT, JT, T9s. He may have decided to check the turn for pot control and is now getting river value from middle PP floaters. (I do this very often against known floaters who call river bets trying to catch my bluff after I check the turn).

He also could have c-bet AK, KQ, KJ, KT (least likely), and decided to check the turn for pot control and to induce a bluff or call on the river.

He also could have c-bet 22, checked the turn to give up and then nutted on river.

Calling the river here is spew, readless. You *only* beat bluffs.

Last edited by cubase; 12-04-2007 at 11:18 AM.
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12-04-2007 , 11:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by billip62
I think the c/r on the flop is largely dependent on the average player on the site given the lack of villain specific reads. Lately I've seen ALOT of crazy allins and I can't count on a weaker hand folding to the c/r. That said if I had any certainty that this player was not a maniac then I would absolutely c/r here.

As the action played out I really don't believe the villain has a pair, the check on the turn almost always means that it's not a 10 and I doubt a 4 checks behind with the action card hitting the turn. It would be a really tricky play to check behind a king rather than going for value, but not a bad move.

The other argument I have against the c/r on the flop against an unknown is pot control, if my c/r gets called it could still be over cards and no pair and I'm suddenly playing a huge pot oop with a really marginal hand that will probably not make it to showdown.

I'm surprised I'm catching this much heat for the flop play, it seems like a perfectly reasonable time to float. Is floating all together wrong at 50NL?
Unless you are Scandinavian, floating OOP is tough. If you want to float, float in position. I also prefer to float when I know my player vs floating unknowns when I just sat down.
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