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Old 05-21-2020, 10:55 PM   #1
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.50/1 Pokerbros JJ 3 Bet Pot - Do We Call Third Barrel Shove Getting Good Pot Odds?

Pokerbros, .50/1, 6 max, $100 effective. This is hero's third hand at the table and second straight raise pre - the first one was CO open and everyone folded. Hero's stats are unknown. Villain's are 20%-32% VPIP, PFR>15%.

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Hero opens HJ $4 J J, villain 3 bets $10 OTB and hero calls.

Flop ($21.50): 9 7 2. Hero x-villain bets $10 and hero calls.

Turn ($41.50):T. Hero x-villain bets $30 and hero calls.

River ($101.50): 3. Hero x-villain shoves $50. Hero?
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Old 05-21-2020, 10:59 PM   #2
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Re: .50/1 Pokerbros JJ 3 Bet Pot - Do We Call Third Barrel Shove Getting Good Pot Odds?

Please move to microstakes
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Old 05-22-2020, 12:12 AM   #3
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Re: .50/1 Pokerbros JJ 3 Bet Pot - Do We Call Third Barrel Shove Getting Good Pot Odds?

Sigh fold.
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Old 05-22-2020, 12:43 AM   #4
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Re: .50/1 Pokerbros JJ 3 Bet Pot - Do We Call Third Barrel Shove Getting Good Pot Odds?

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Sigh fold.
**** I must be bad at poker. Once I call the turn Iím definitely calling the river. 50 bigs into 100 bigs? Sign me up.
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Old 05-22-2020, 04:54 AM   #5
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Re: .50/1 Pokerbros JJ 3 Bet Pot - Do We Call Third Barrel Shove Getting Good Pot Odds?

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Sigh snap call.
FYP

pot odds and we possibly haz our best pair.

against a rock call turn/fold river is meh but fine

against a wannabe pro it’s a mandatory call imo. Some TAGs will shut down frequently on bros, others wont. So readless I’d go with MDF here although will overfold slightly.

calling A-10s+ if you’re floating flop with that
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Old 05-22-2020, 03:22 PM   #6
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Re: .50/1 Pokerbros JJ 3 Bet Pot - Do We Call Third Barrel Shove Getting Good Pot Odds?

Unrelated but I'm curious what hands a solver would triple on this runout as bluffs
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Old 05-22-2020, 03:33 PM   #7
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Re: .50/1 Pokerbros JJ 3 Bet Pot - Do We Call Third Barrel Shove Getting Good Pot Odds?

XR flop
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Old 05-22-2020, 03:45 PM   #8
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Re: .50/1 Pokerbros JJ 3 Bet Pot - Do We Call Third Barrel Shove Getting Good Pot Odds?

I'd x/jam turn
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Old 05-22-2020, 06:25 PM   #9
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Re: .50/1 Pokerbros JJ 3 Bet Pot - Do We Call Third Barrel Shove Getting Good Pot Odds?

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XR flop
interesting, could you explain?
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Old 05-22-2020, 06:29 PM   #10
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interesting, could you explain?
This our best overpair we have at any decent frequency. We can't just XR 99/77. And we are going to have some JTs/65s hands that want to XR as well. Even hands like QJs would probably be good since we unblock AK.

I'm sure it is a mixed strategy though.

I also like ionu's line of X/jamming turn since the Ten is better for us.
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Old 05-22-2020, 07:02 PM   #11
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Re: .50/1 Pokerbros JJ 3 Bet Pot - Do We Call Third Barrel Shove Getting Good Pot Odds?

just meh fold river you dont beat any bluffs really and you block the main bluff QJs/KJs.

I dunno wtf his 3b range looks like but the btn has a ton of value hands here , obv not at 100% freq since its an unknown. But btn should have a lot of T9s, TT/99/77, JJ+, some 97s/107s. Only natural bluffs are KJs/QJs both of which you block so to see a bluff he just has to airball Ax here basically. Its pretty rare someone would bluff 98s otr or w.e.

Its close tho and calling isnt horrible given the price.
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Old 05-22-2020, 07:28 PM   #12
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Re: .50/1 Pokerbros JJ 3 Bet Pot - Do We Call Third Barrel Shove Getting Good Pot Odds?

I say fold, I think most regs in really soft games are just gonna have pure value triples a lot on this kind of runout

Maybe it's just confirmation bias(?), but I swear I've rarely seen a bluff when a reg type sets up the 1/2 pot or less river shove on a runout like this (in super soft games anyway). Plus you're blocking bluffs pretty hard, I don't think you'll see a lot of regs blasting off AK here in your pool
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Old 05-22-2020, 08:00 PM   #13
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Re: .50/1 Pokerbros JJ 3 Bet Pot - Do We Call Third Barrel Shove Getting Good Pot Odds?

I had a really long, elaborate response typed out, and I'm glad to see it never got posted /s.

Thank you all very much for your responses.

Notes I wrote down from solver:

1. Shoves turn with JJ 100%

2. Heros river with 76s 38.9%, AJs 100%, AJo 83.2%, with A combos being its least favorite

3. Wrt 9x - calls A9s 100%, Q9dd 100% but other Q9s 17%? Calls K9dd 34.5% but other K9s 0%.

Any clue why it likes diamonds with a 9, but not AdJx? Why does it like Q9s more than K9s?
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Old 05-22-2020, 09:17 PM   #14
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Re: .50/1 Pokerbros JJ 3 Bet Pot - Do We Call Third Barrel Shove Getting Good Pot Odds?

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I had a really long, elaborate response typed out, and I'm glad to see it never got posted /s.

Thank you all very much for your responses.

Notes I wrote down from solver:

1. Shoves turn with JJ 100%

2. Heros river with 76s 38.9%, AJs 100%, AJo 83.2%, with A combos being its least favorite

3. Wrt 9x - calls A9s 100%, Q9dd 100% but other Q9s 17%? Calls K9dd 34.5% but other K9s 0%.

Any clue why it likes diamonds with a 9, but not AdJx? Why does it like Q9s more than K9s?
Re: Q9vK9, ig AK and KQ are 3b at higher frequency than AQ and QJ, while KK anr QQ are equal at 100%?

Don't understand the signifigance of diamonds here.

I'd never hero AJ in practice, I get that optimally the best bluffs are KQ and QJ but vs population I think that if it's a hero call spot its because people are unbalanced and fire AK/AQ (since they 3b those most) so heroing with AJ could go really wrong.

X/jam turn definitely seems like the best line with our gutty, denies equity to his bluffs and gets it in while we still have that draw vs his value
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Old 05-22-2020, 09:34 PM   #15
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Re: .50/1 Pokerbros JJ 3 Bet Pot - Do We Call Third Barrel Shove Getting Good Pot Odds?

4bet pre -
as played : shove turn
fold river - this 1/2 pot till cows come home is QQ-AA mostly
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Old 05-23-2020, 07:24 AM   #16
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**** I must be bad at poker. Once I call the turn Iím definitely calling the river. 50 bigs into 100 bigs? Sign me up.
we call river but calling turn ain't the reason why
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Old 05-23-2020, 08:49 AM   #17
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Re: .50/1 Pokerbros JJ 3 Bet Pot - Do We Call Third Barrel Shove Getting Good Pot Odds?

4betting pre just folds out villain's bluffs and if they shove we are in bad shape.

Shoving turn doesn't make sense since it's pretty hard for villain to be bluffing. I might even fold turn!

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Old 05-23-2020, 11:07 AM   #18
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probably fold vs your typical low stakes villain
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Old 05-23-2020, 12:17 PM   #19
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4betting pre just folds out villain's bluffs and if they shove we are in bad shape.

Shoving turn doesn't make sense since it's pretty hard for villain to be bluffing. I might even fold turn!

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Errrr I think not that. Shipping turn to deny equity when the spr is that small is great.
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Old 05-23-2020, 12:30 PM   #20
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Re: .50/1 Pokerbros JJ 3 Bet Pot - Do We Call Third Barrel Shove Getting Good Pot Odds?

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Errrr I think not that. Shipping turn to deny equity when the spr is that small is great.
Ok, so to what hands does raising deny equity? Are you thinking that villain double barrels AK?

Maybe A8s?

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