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4bet spot OOP deep, 50nlz 4bet spot OOP deep, 50nlz

05-14-2021 , 04:52 PM
Yatahay Network - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 111.46 BB
Hero (SB): 233.44 BB
BB: 123.64 BB
UTG: 183.34 BB
MP: 112.9 BB
CO: 227.36 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K K

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 14.5 BB, fold, CO raises to 42.5 BB, Hero calls 28 BB

Flop: (86 BB, 2 players) J Q 9
Hero checks, CO bets 45.58 BB, fold

CO wins 81.7 BB


Used my entire time bank to think this one and I'm still not certain I made the right play.

Some of the things I was considering is that due to the dynamic of stack depth and preflop action villain shouldn't have all that many bluffs such as AK to begin with and me holding the KK to block that is even worse. My thoughts were that considering AQs and KK are relatively similar in hand strength in this scenario AQs is arguably better bluff catching candidate because it blocks most realistic combos of value hands the villain could hold such as AA and sometimes QQ and unblocks more combos of AK then KK does.

Also because I have nut advantage in that I hold practically all the sets and strong equity draws (TT) villain should be careful betting large against me. That made me think folding KK is probably ok.

What do you guys think?
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05-14-2021 , 04:56 PM
That 4-bet sizing is just a kick straight to the groin 220bbs deep.

Good fold imo.
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05-14-2021 , 05:07 PM
SB 3bet sizes don't change when deep only BB 3bets sizes.

KK is the hand we get in preflop. Vulnerable but strong.

As played raise flop. We have more QQ/JJ/99
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05-14-2021 , 07:05 PM
This deep I just ship pre. No reason to get cute.
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05-15-2021 , 12:33 AM
Sorry, posted before going to work so I couldn't reply sooner.

Doodoo can you elaborate on sb 3bet sizing not changing when deep?
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05-15-2021 , 02:32 PM
I would just ship it preflop and win a nice pot rather than play out of position and have to fold a flop like this. If he has AA it is what it is, but denying villains equity by getting it in pre is good here
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05-15-2021 , 04:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boomerx
Sorry, posted before going to work so I couldn't reply sooner.

Doodoo can you elaborate on sb 3bet sizing not changing when deep?
I am going off what ionu has said in his 200bb preflop sims.

SB is still a linear range so it's the same sizing preflop at 200bb.

BB's range is more incentivized to call when deeper because IP 4bets put us in tough spots with higher SPR's. So we when we 3bet we go bigger since we aren't going to be 3betting as often at 200bb.

That was my understanding of it.

Maybe he can chime in with more insight.
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05-16-2021 , 08:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
SB 3bet sizes don't change when deep only BB 3bets sizes.

KK is the hand we get in preflop. Vulnerable but strong.

As played raise flop. We have more QQ/JJ/99
bruh this a top notch guide to burn money
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