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12-15-2017 , 08:06 PM
Okay so since the 55 hand got no love, let's try this one. I don't normally open 44 utg, but, with recreational's everywhere, why not, right?

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 151.5 BB (VPIP: 19.61, PFR: 12.87, 3Bet Preflop: 6.06, Hands: 107)
BTN: 62 BB (VPIP: 26.51, PFR: 16.79, 3Bet Preflop: 2.93, Hands: 1,307)
SB: 142.5 BB (VPIP: 25.45, PFR: 20.18, 3Bet Preflop: 18.18, Hands: 116)
BB: 192.5 BB (VPIP: 14.64, PFR: 11.93, 3Bet Preflop: 5.79, Hands: 1,073)
Hero (UTG): 105 BB
MP: 69.5 BB (VPIP: 39.47, PFR: 26.32, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 41)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 4 4

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 7 7 A
BB checks, Hero bets 4 BB, BB calls 4 BB
Bet here to deny equity to random broadway hands.

Turn: (14.5 BB, 2 players) 6
BB checks, Hero bets 10 BB, BB calls 10 BB

Once I bet flop I usually follow up with a turn bet from UTG since my range is at it's strongest.

River: (34.5 BB, 2 players) 2
BB checks, Hero bets 88 BB and is all-in

Don't have many bluffs here. Maybe this is overbluffing? Thoughts?
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12-15-2017 , 09:08 PM
me no likey.

What are we repping? We never have a 7 here unless we have quads or A7hh the turn is a rainbow brick and the river is a brick. If villain likes his hand ott the river changes nothing.

You might fold out A2-A5 here villain dependent. 88-QQ are probably folding this river. Aside from that nothing we beat folds.

Flops fine, turn is debatable, river is poor. I think we have about 5 combos of value hands we're shoving so we should rarely shove on a bluff.
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12-15-2017 , 09:17 PM
I open A7s, 76s and 87s utg so I have them along with my 77, AA/AK.

Edit: I would normally play the above value hands and 98s like this. Turning small pairs into bluffs, when I decide to open them randomly from ep, is not part of my standard play.

Last edited by Flpmethntsdlr; 12-15-2017 at 09:35 PM.
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12-16-2017 , 02:52 AM
I have no problem opening any pp UTG especially on fishy sites or tables. Id just check the turn though. If it's fishy then there are just far better spots to go for pure value with hands. This is just really unnecessary especially in the micros.
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12-16-2017 , 04:11 AM
I think pre and flop are okay, but I'd just give up turn against a villain that nitty. Lines like that aren't where most of your EV comes from against this kind of villain.
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12-16-2017 , 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Flpmethntsdlr
River: (34.5 BB, 2 players) 2
BB checks, Hero bets 88 BB and is all-in

Don't have many bluffs here. Maybe this is overbluffing? Thoughts?
So you're betting 88bb to win 34. He has to fold 72% of the time for this move to break even. More like 75%'ish with the rake.

After he calls pre, call flop (no draw on board) and call turn (OOP), what range do you put him on, and what part of that range do you think he's folding?
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12-16-2017 , 06:48 AM
go w/ edhill analysis seems solid
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12-16-2017 , 08:46 AM
Appreciate the responses. River shove is targeting anything that's not a 7 that I would think this V will fold most of the time. I hadn't played many hands to that point either so I thought my line was credible.

Agree the prudent thing to do would be to x turn. Couldn't think of any other bluffs in this spot except 98 though. Need anymore than that?
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12-16-2017 , 01:05 PM
looks like dont bluff, may be better c|f ta the river, because you cant have 7 with your strongest range. But if he is ATC1 (loose agr amator), he can rly bluff here, but he's range still strongest than you.

All in here is "overpower", may be he rly have 7777, got any set or just loose amator who easy do big bluff, as he knows that you can have 7 here and dont understand that he cant have 7 here too, but 44 very weakness here.
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12-17-2017 , 12:21 AM
I open all pairs UTG for what it's worth.

Would go smaller OTF. We can go small with pretty much our whole range IMO.

I would also check turn. I think there are better candidates to barrel OTT. As far as I understand it, just because we have range advantage doesn't mean we can fire two barrels with everything that misses the board. Our value range OTT really isn't that large considering we're checking some Ax's OTF and some Ax's OTT, and when you start dipping down into barreling 44 our range becomes significantly bluff-heavy.

As played-- same logic on the river, except it's more severe. We're value betting 77, AA, A7s, some amount of 66 depending on how often you c-bet flop, and maaaaybe AK if we think we can go that low but that seems really thin. So, best case scenario, we've got 22 value hands here (even though we probably don't). If I'm doing my math correctly, then when we 2.5x overbet our range should have about 42% bluffs, and so if we want to be balanced we should have about 16 bluffs.

I'm not sure why we would want to use 44 as a bluff OTR. Would prefer something like KQ where we potentially block villain's calling range.
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12-17-2017 , 01:20 AM
Check the turn. Keep his range wide. If the river were 2 3 5 would call s reasonable bet.
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12-17-2017 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Flpmethntsdlr
Couldn't think of any other bluffs in this spot except 98 though. Need anymore than that?
Our value range here is 77 A7s AA 66 and 76s 78s sometimes. (I'm not always opening SCs utg, depends on the table). Lets be generous and say we have 20 value combos here. So we want ~10 bluff combos. I guess we could also have 22 here seeing as we played 44 like this.

KQ is a good bluff candidate as it has absolutely no SD value and blocks AK and AQ and that's 16 combos by itself.



If you're going to bluff then I like the sizing, but if you're bluffing 44 then we're also bluffing 33 maybe 55 (12 combos) then we have the whiffed broadways KQ KJs KTs QJs (28 combos)

I'd prefer to pick a hand with no SD value and put it into my bluffs in this kind of spot than a hand that does have a little SD value.

If we take the view that KQ is the nut no pair hand and might be good at SD sometimes then we can use the other suited broadways as bluffs to get to 12 bluff combos which seems about right.
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