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03-20-2021 , 10:40 AM
A few hands below. They're not exactly the same, but they're all facing a turn raise or x/r in a 3bet pot where I've got a decent hand, with a tough spot either on the turn and/or river. Some of those tough spots are entirely my own making.

Hand 1:

Villain has stats of 21/17/14 after 241 hands, with a fold to 3bet after raise of 45.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 124.6 BB
SB: 183 BB
Hero (BB): 213.9 BB
UTG: 93.7 BB
MP: 101.2 BB
CO: 179.9 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, CO calls 7.5 BB

Flop: (20.5 BB, 2 players) 4 T 3
Hero bets 7 BB, CO calls 7 BB

Turn: (34.5 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero bets 22 BB, CO raises to 55 BB, Hero ????


Hands 2:

I've put the river action for this one as well, as I feel it is also an interesting spot. Villain has very similar stats to hand 1, 23/18/8 after 222 hands, and f to 3bet after raise of 100.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 124.6 BB
SB: 100.5 BB
Hero (BB): 122.5 BB
UTG: 151.6 BB
MP: 131.1 BB
CO: 98.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T K

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, BTN calls 9 BB

Flop: (24.5 BB, 2 players) K 6 3
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (24.5 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero bets 11.7 BB, BTN raises to 33.1 BB, Hero calls 21.4 BB

River: (90.7 BB, 2 players) T
Hero checks, BTN bets 79.5 BB and is all-in, Hero ???

Hand 3:

No stats for villain, but given how he played, not sure they're needed.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 105.8 BB
SB: 232.6 BB
BB: 232.8 BB
Hero (UTG): 379.9 BB
MP: 169.4 BB
CO: 60.9 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 3 A

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, CO raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (11.5 BB, 2 players) T A 2
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: (11.5 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero bets 8 BB, CO raises to 16 BB, Hero ???

Hand 4:

No stats on villain. Don't like how I played this one, turn bet size isn't great, don't like the flop size either. I think I was trying to adapt my play to villain's PF sizing

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 218 BB
Hero (SB): 114 BB
BB: 220.6 BB
UTG: 205.1 BB
MP: 125.2 BB
CO: 49.9 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J A

fold, MP raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 16 BB, fold, MP calls 12 BB

Flop: (33 BB, 2 players) 8 4 6
Hero bets 10.4 BB, MP calls 10.4 BB

Turn: (53.8 BB, 2 players) T
Hero bets 13 BB, MP raises to 51.7 BB, [color=red]Hero ???

Hand 5:

No stats on villain. Another small turn bet, but this time, my thinking is the third club means that I probably have the best hand and want to grow the pot, just not too much for those times villain has flush.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 106.3 BB
SB: 113.5 BB
Hero (BB): 327.2 BB
UTG: 163.6 BB
MP: 144.6 BB
CO: 80.3 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A A

fold, MP raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 8 BB, MP calls 6 BB

Flop: (16.5 BB, 2 players) 7 2 8
Hero bets 11 BB, MP calls 11 BB

Turn: (38.5 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero bets 12.1 BB, MP raises to 24.2 BB, Hero calls 12.1 BB

River: (86.9 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, MP bets 52 BB, Hero ???

Hand 6:

Here, villain's stats are 19/13/2 after 520 hands, with fold to cbet 71 (12/17 hands) and fold to PF 3bet after raise of 43.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 109.6 BB
SB: 100 BB
BB: 111.3 BB
UTG: 68.9 BB
MP: 113.5 BB
CO: 82.3 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A 5

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 6 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) 6 5 A
MP checks, Hero bets 6.1 BB, MP calls 6.1 BB

Turn: (31.7 BB, 2 players) J
MP checks, Hero bets 20 BB, MP raises to 60 BB, [color=red]Hero???
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03-20-2021 , 12:03 PM
Thats wayyyy too many hands for 1 thread to be able to get meaningful feedback imo. But here's my take:

H1.I believe we need to be checking a lot here 200bb deep as villain has an advantage in sets and can have 34s while we cant. So id check flop and go from there. As played i think that we hold the Qh makes this an easy fold.

H2. I am rangebetting this board. Awkward spot on turn and river. I think villain would need to find some very unnatural bluffs here for us to be good. But he also reps very thin and might valueshove 67s. I don't think there is a huge difference between calling and folding this.

H3. Very easy shove vs a recreational and that stacksize

H4. As you stated flop sizing should be larger. turn sizing also doesn't make any sense. But as played call you almost get immediate odds.

H5. I think a lot of our range wants to check this turn and our hand is a good candidate to do so. Small bet just made everything very awkward.

H6. Villain looks like a nit. I also think these spots are underbluffed in general so I feel very confident in folding turn against this guy. Obv have to calldown vs competeten opponent blocking AJ and 55
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03-20-2021 , 12:13 PM
If you're posting hands with a common theme, don't think there should be more than 2. Standard forum etiquette is 1 hand per thread regardless

Overfolding to turn/river raises or large turn river bets is never bad at the micros
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03-20-2021 , 12:39 PM
Anyway to delete the thread? I did get a little carried away putting 6 hands here
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03-21-2021 , 03:32 PM
edit hand 1 for 100bb 3bet bigger, bet flop bigger, shove turn, AP it's it's villain dependtant, fish can raise worse for value, aggro reg can try to rep set here.
At those stack sizes bet flop bigger, now you switch to cc ,ode

hand 2 if you dont "control" villan, and if you dont know what to do you dont, dont 3bet, AP range bet flop, but i dont hate flop check, not big ev diffrence IMO, but check turn also, it improves villain more often than you

hand 3 i like flop check, turn vs donkey is just shove, vs maniac like you may only call raise

hand 4 not loving range bet, bet bigger if you think villain never raise worse, not loving turn bet, competent villain exploit those bet sizes, cc or check shove turn

hand 5 aac is great hand to balance your cc range, you block a lot of floats, and u usually give up on this flop, so station those aces to river

hand 6 lol, i have no idea.... flop looks fine,on turn you block a lot of value hand, but what bluffs villain may have??? I expect aj, 66 here a lot, maybe jj, i expect regs at those stakes to call 3bets with ajo here, villain have no natural bluffs, and i dont see many worse value hands to play this way, OTOH you get great odds
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