3bet pot line check - Micro Stakes Pot Limit and No Limit

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NL Holdem 0.10(BB)
BTN ($12.63) [VPIP: 23.3% | PFR: 15.5% | AGG: 33.3% | Hands: 2088]
HERO ($25.33) [VPIP: 24.4% | PFR: 21.4% | AGG: 35.9% | Flop Agg: 42.1% | Turn Agg: 29.2% | River Agg: 32.1% | 3-Bet: 10.9% | Fold to 3-Bet: 56.8% | 4-Bet: 16.3% | Hands: 346330]
BB ($21.37) [VPIP: 20.8% | PFR: 12.5% | AGG: 48.6% | Hands: 124]
UTG ($8) [VPIP: 21.1% | PFR: 16.7% | AGG: 72% | Hands: 117]
HJ ($12.25) [VPIP: 20.2% | PFR: 17.9% | AGG: 30.5% | Hands: 664]
CO ($11.07) [VPIP: 35.3% | PFR: 23.5% | AGG: 53.3% | Flop Agg: 33.3% | Turn Agg: 80% | River Agg: 50% | 3-Bet: 22.2% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 17]

Dealt to Hero: 7

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $0.28, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $1.14, BB Folds, CO Calls $0.86

Hero SPR on Flop: [4.17 effective]
Flop ($2.38): 3

HERO Bets $1.78 (Rem. Stack: $22.41), CO Calls $1.78 (Rem. Stack: $8.15)

Turn ($5.94): 3

HERO Bets $1.48 (Rem. Stack: $20.93), CO Calls $1.48 (Rem. Stack: $6.67)

River ($8.90): 3

HERO Bets $20.93 (allin)

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10-29-2020 , 01:29 PM

kontost

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Shouldn't we x this combo in turn? Do you x TT-QQ?

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10-29-2020 , 02:21 PM

DooDooPoker

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Originally Posted by kontost

Shouldn't we x this combo in turn? Do you x TT-QQ?

QQ-TT win way more at SD.

No this is a pure bet with 77 for small.

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10-29-2020 , 02:23 PM

newguyhere

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Don't think we can ever really be overbluffing the turn due to our condensed range, so betting is probably fine.

River might also be okay AP, but I think it depends on what value hands from the turn you decide to turn into a bluff catcher on the river.

I do think that QJs and JTs make for better triples for obvious reasons.

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10-29-2020 , 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by newguyhere

They actually make worse triples even though both are tripled.

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10-29-2020 , 02:27 PM

newguyhere

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

They actually make worse triples even though both are tripled.

Why is that?

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10-29-2020 , 02:35 PM

Haizemberg93

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Why play it like that otf?

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10-29-2020 , 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by newguyhere

Why is that?

unblocking 4 combos of JTs and 6 combos of TT/6 combos of JJ is more important than blocking 2 combos of KJs/KTs. Since now we also block 3 combos of JJ and 3 combos of TT.

Not a huge EV difference but just something to note.

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10-29-2020 , 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93

Why play it like that otf?

Flop is a range bet for 75%. We crush K high boards.

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10-29-2020 , 03:31 PM

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superpoker666

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preflop is only 50% 3bet 50% fold for me.

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10-29-2020 , 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by superpoker666

preflop is only 50% 3bet 50% fold for me.

Yeah I have it the same, thanks.

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10-29-2020 , 03:37 PM

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superpoker666

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Villain is floating many Ax on the flop. I don't hate range cbet on K high board. But we need to check a lot on the A turn since we have many junk in our range after we range cbet the flop. As played, I would rather bluffing on a diamond river. Also be aware most Ax is going to chop on paired this pair board. If the Villain doesn't believe you have AK,KK,AA he will call you down light with any Ax. These hands will probably bet large ott.

Last edited by superpoker666; 10-29-2020 at 03:43 PM.

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10-29-2020 , 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by superpoker666

You think Ax floats a lot vs 75% sizing?

I have way more Ax than him OTT. I have my whole 3bet range and he will fold a lot of Ax without backdoors OTF.

In my solve I have an Ace turn as the highest frequency bet turn card by a mile.

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10-29-2020 , 04:11 PM

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superpoker666

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

sorry I thought is was a 33% flop cbet. I remember range bet 33% has higher EV than 75% and check on K high board. Have you compared?

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10-29-2020 , 04:25 PM

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ionutd

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noice
gj seeing turn range bet on A
and river I imagine we're starting to dig into weak pairs heavily the more Kx he folds

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10-29-2020 , 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ionutd

noice
gj seeing turn range bet on A
and river I imagine we're starting to dig into weak pairs heavily the more Kx he folds

It's so annoying when you make GTO plays postflop but then this happens.

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NL Holdem 0.10(BB)
BTN ($12.63) [VPIP: 23.3% | PFR: 15.6% | AGG: 33.4% | Hands: 2114]
HERO ($25.33) [VPIP: 24.4% | PFR: 21.4% | AGG: 36% | Flop Agg: 42.1% | Turn Agg: 29.2% | River Agg: 32.1% | 3-Bet: 10.9% | Fold to 3-Bet: 56.8% | 4-Bet: 16.3% | Hands: 346932]
BB ($21.37) [VPIP: 20.8% | PFR: 12.5% | AGG: 48.6% | Hands: 124]
UTG ($8) [VPIP: 19.6% | PFR: 16.2% | AGG: 66.7% | Hands: 153]
HJ ($12.25) [VPIP: 20% | PFR: 17.7% | AGG: 29.9% | Hands: 722]
CO ($11.07) [VPIP: 26.9% | PFR: 19.2% | AGG: 53.3% | Flop Agg: 33.3% | Turn Agg: 80% | River Agg: 50% | 3-Bet: 18.2% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 26]

Dealt to Hero: 7

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $0.28, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $1.14, BB Folds, CO Calls $0.86

Hero SPR on Flop: [4.17 effective]
Flop ($2.38): 3

HERO Bets $1.78 (Rem. Stack: $22.41), CO Calls $1.78 (Rem. Stack: $8.15)

Turn ($5.94): 3

HERO Bets $1.48 (Rem. Stack: $20.93), CO Calls $1.48 (Rem. Stack: $6.67)

River ($8.90): 3

HERO Bets $20.93 (allin), CO Calls $6.67 (allin)

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10-29-2020 , 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by superpoker666

sorry I thought is was a 33% flop cbet. I remember range bet 33% has higher EV than 75% and check on K high board. Have you compared?

Yeah 75% is highest EV sizing.

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10-29-2020 , 04:44 PM

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superpoker666

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I just run the sim, pot 21.5
1. Flop check, 33% pot, 75% pot, EV:13.43
2. 33% pot, EV:13.39
3. Flop check,75% pot, EV:13.21 (89% cbet, 11% checking)

To me the second the one is the easiest one to implement and lost least EV.

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10-29-2020 , 05:17 PM

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newguyhere

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Was this hand played on Ignition?

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10-29-2020 , 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by superpoker666

Yeah I think both sizing's are fine. Whatever is easier for you to use.

We have 60%+ Equity on this board that's why I like going big.

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10-29-2020 , 05:19 PM

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Was this hand played on Ignition?

10nl blitz on ACR

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10-29-2020 , 05:30 PM

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superpoker666

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nh.

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10-29-2020 , 05:38 PM

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newguyhere

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

10nl blitz on ACR

I was making a joke based on villain's flop call.

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10-29-2020 , 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by newguyhere

I was making a joke based on villain's flop call.

oh lol that flew over my head

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10-29-2020 , 06:19 PM

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buggits30

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Interesting discussing on the flop sizing. I wonder if although the solver shows that range betting 33% is higher EV than the 75% sizing with some checking mixed in, if the pool as a whole will make more mistakes against the larger sizing, therefore making that line higher EV against the pool. My thinking is that most have seen the range bet 33% strategy plenty of times and are comfortable playing against it, whereas you dont really see larger bets in this spot as the IP player as much.

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