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10-20-2018 , 05:39 PM
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NL Holdem $0.25(BB)
CO ($20.05) [VPIP: 16.3% | PFR: 14.3% | AGG: 34.8% | 3-Bet: 10.2% | Hands: 361]
HERO ($25) [VPIP: 27.8% | PFR: 21.5% | AGG: 30.6% | 3-Bet: 10.6% | Hands: 75275]
SB ($47.56) [VPIP: 25.4% | PFR: 20.7% | AGG: 41.8% | 3-Bet: 8.8% | Hands: 1862]
BB ($25) [VPIP: 29.1% | PFR: 20.8% | AGG: 40% | 3-Bet: 19.8% | Hands: 272]
UTG ($48.64) [VPIP: 26.9% | PFR: 20.9% | AGG: 28.8% | 3-Bet: 7.8% | Hands: 6372]
HJ ($25.32) [VPIP: 53.2% | PFR: 15.9% | AGG: 39% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 208]

Dealt to Hero: A T

UTG Raises To $0.75, HJ Calls $0.75, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $3.35, SB Folds, BB Folds, UTG Calls $2.60, HJ Calls $2.60

Hero SPR on Flop: [2.08 effective]
Flop ($10.40): J J 3
UTG Checks, HJ Checks, HERO Bets $3 (Rem. Stack: 18.65), UTG Calls $3 (Rem. Stack: 42.29), HJ Folds

Turn ($16.40): J J 3 5
UTG Checks, HERO Bets $18.65 (allin)
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10-20-2018 , 05:52 PM
Betting small into a pot three way when the HJ looks incredibly loose and passive with very little going for you seems to me like you're exploiting yourself.

Neither of you have all that many Js or 33 in your range. UTG has incentive to flat wider than he would usually with the loose passive player likely to come along so shoving the turn is probably fine.

When you have more than 6k hands on someone you should have a rough idea what their UTG opening range looks like.
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10-20-2018 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MMSS
Betting small into a pot three way when the HJ looks incredibly loose and passive with very little going for you seems to me like you're exploiting yourself.

Neither of you have all that many Js or 33 in your range. UTG has incentive to flat wider than he would usually with the loose passive player likely to come along so shoving the turn is probably fine.

When you have more than 6k hands on someone you should have a rough idea what their UTG opening range looks like.
Yeah I figured UTGs range was probably 55+ and Suited Broadways. I have more Jx then both of them because I call most of my pocket pairs here so my 3bet range is weighted towards premiums/suited broadways. I block some AJ/JT as well.
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10-20-2018 , 06:07 PM
Can you please explain why you played the hand that way. i would like to know what were you thinking when playing this hand.
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10-20-2018 , 06:12 PM
And I'm curious as to why did you 3Bet this hand. It seems very loose to me (am I wrong?).

Is it something specific about the UTG player or is it because it's a squeeze?
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10-20-2018 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by aprogle
Can you please explain why you played the hand that way. i would like to know what were you thinking when playing this hand.
preflop is a call or 3bet but i like 3betting more since im IP and have blockers to strong hands that UTG could 4bet me with. On the flop I have more Jx/overpairs then both my opponents but I may check an overpair here so I might like a check more on the flop.

As played, I block Jx with ATs and my goal was to get villain to fold 66-TT (30 combos of hands). He only has AJ, KJ, QJ, JT and J9 so 5 combos + KJ and QJ (I block AJ and JT) and J9

8 combos of Jx
30 combos of underpairs

I think it's a profitable bluff but I might prefer to x flop/bet turn/river,
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10-20-2018 , 07:07 PM
It looks like every move was wrong.
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10-20-2018 , 07:37 PM
I don't like this one. Even though I know you try to balance things, I find it hard to believe that you can possibly balance this fl/tu esp when you're shoving this wide. In addition, why do with a hand with no equity? Seems like a terrible randomizer hand.

I think it's pretty obvious that when I refer to the balance that I believe if you have Jx, you're betting 1/3 ott given the pot size and you likely don't have many Jx pre to begin with. You're also very unlikely to be jamming AA like this and probably perceived to never be doing so. It's also worth noting that the fl was 3-handed with him not closing the action which makes his calling range tighter otf.
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10-20-2018 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
I don't like this one. Even though I know you try to balance things, I find it hard to believe that you can possibly balance this fl/tu esp when you're shoving this wide. In addition, why do with a hand with no equity? Seems like a terrible randomizer hand.

I think it's pretty obvious that when I refer to the balance that I believe if you have Jx, you're betting 1/3 ott given the pot size and you likely don't have many Jx pre to begin with. You're also very unlikely to be jamming AA like this and probably perceived to never be doing so. It's also worth noting that the fl was 3-handed with him not closing the action which makes his calling range tighter otf.
yeah i was thinking i dont play AA like this so i probably should of checked flop. Maybe I should just check my whole range here.

I think during the hand I concluded i had more Jx then everyone so i went with it, but i wasnt thinking about non Jx hands that are good like QQ-AA.
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10-20-2018 , 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
It looks like every move was wrong.
you prefer calling pf?
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10-20-2018 , 08:51 PM
Most of these bluffs you post usually look spew-boxy to me including this one. I can see bluffing the flop sometimes here, but the turn shove w/ basically no equity is just crazy to me.
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10-20-2018 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
you prefer calling pf?
Yes.I dont know what is your plan vs 4b and it looks like you are 3b really agg
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10-20-2018 , 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
Yes.I dont know what is your plan vs 4b and it looks like you are 3b really agg
Depends on 4betting frequency. 5bet or fold most likely
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10-20-2018 , 09:36 PM
I squeeze this
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10-21-2018 , 03:56 PM
I think it's fold pre, but it's only just outside a squeezing range (I think AJs works, and that's a very clear fold if someone 4-bets).

Post-flop just looks like firing money into the abyss with no equity. You've only got 3 combos that want to build a pot on that flop (quads and AJs, all of which can slowplay). Possibly you could bet with 3 combos of AQs that have BDFDs, but I'd think that AA-QQ should all check back when it's multiway and the villains have more jacks in their ranges.
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10-22-2018 , 05:45 AM
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I think it's fold pre
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10-22-2018 , 06:21 AM
I think calling preflop or raising are both okay. Folding is a big mistake imo. Way too nitty especially with the loose HJ caller. I actually prefer 3-betting over calling most of the time.

The rest of the hand looks good to me. We block AJs and TT. Our opponent seems regish. Regs usually play nitty in 3-bet pots when they are multiway. They will call the turn jam with AJs, QQ, and TT for the most part I think. I suppose AKs and AQs with the flush draw is possible as well, but less likely.

The only problem I see is that we may be overbluffing since we can barrel here with the nut flush draw and wheel draw here too. Oh well though. People love to fold.

Maybe I'm a crazy nit, but I think the only Jx combo he should have is AJs. AJo, KJs, QJs, and JTs should all be folded preflop. I expect most regs to do this. Maybe I'm wrong. How many of you are calling with those hands in opponent's shoes?
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10-22-2018 , 06:28 AM
Ye its probs +ev in a vacuum. I suspect theyre gonna overfold the turn

but man if u get called and he sees how wide u are, u need to take a mother***ing note and step the aggression down otherwise ure gonna get killed
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10-22-2018 , 06:48 AM
For sure! Balance is something I sometimes struggle with. In some games I'm playing, I'm insanely profitable. On other tables I get destroyed, because people are exploiting me and I can't stop myself. I recently got humbled for roughly $1000 at the 100NL tables. All in one session (mixture of bad luck, but lots of bad play as well). I'm now forced to move back down to the 10NL speed tables.

It is especially bad when I go on auto-piolet. When you get into that state of mind and your game is unbalanced you can suffer greatly. It pains me much because I strive to be great, but fear I never will be and that all my poker aspirations are for nothing. I enjoy poker, but I hate losing more than I like poker.
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10-22-2018 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGodson
I think calling preflop or raising are both okay. Folding is a big mistake imo. Way too nitty especially with the loose HJ caller. I actually prefer 3-betting over calling most of the time.

The rest of the hand looks good to me. We block AJs and TT. Our opponent seems regish. Regs usually play nitty in 3-bet pots when they are multiway. They will call the turn jam with AJs, QQ, and TT for the most part I think. I suppose AKs and AQs with the flush draw is possible as well, but less likely.

The only problem I see is that we may be overbluffing since we can barrel here with the nut flush draw and wheel draw here too. Oh well though. People love to fold.

Maybe I'm a crazy nit, but I think the only Jx combo he should have is AJs. AJo, KJs, QJs, and JTs should all be folded preflop. I expect most regs to do this. Maybe I'm wrong. How many of you are calling with those hands in opponent's shoes?
You might be onto something!

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem $0.25(BB)
CO ($20.05) [VPIP: 18.7% | PFR: 16.2% | AGG: 32.6% | 3-Bet: 8.1% | Hands: 711]
HERO ($25) [VPIP: 27.8% | PFR: 21.5% | AGG: 30.5% | 3-Bet: 10.6% | Hands: 77017]
SB ($47.56) [VPIP: 25.6% | PFR: 20.8% | AGG: 41.9% | 3-Bet: 8.9% | Hands: 1921]
BB ($25) [VPIP: 27.1% | PFR: 19% | AGG: 36% | 3-Bet: 14.7% | Hands: 1473]
UTG ($48.64) [VPIP: 26.9% | PFR: 20.9% | AGG: 28.9% | 3-Bet: 7.7% | Hands: 6721]
HJ ($25.32) [VPIP: 53.5% | PFR: 11.8% | AGG: 38.9% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 279]

Dealt to Hero: A T

UTG Raises To $0.75, HJ Calls $0.75, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $3.35, SB Folds, BB Folds, UTG Calls $2.60, HJ Calls $2.60

Hero SPR on Flop: [2.08 effective]
Flop ($10.40): J J 3
UTG Checks, HJ Checks, HERO Bets $3 (Rem. Stack: 18.65), UTG Calls $3 (Rem. Stack: 42.29), HJ Folds

Turn ($16.40): J J 3 5
UTG Checks, HERO Bets $18.65 (allin), UTG Calls $18.65 (Rem. Stack: 23.64)

River ($53.70): J J 3 5 8

Spoiler:

UTG shows: J A

UTG wins: $51.02
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10-22-2018 , 06:41 PM
I actually think this is fine. It looks bad - no-equity bluffs always do, especially when we run into the top of their range (as here) - but when we have a big range advantage & they're probs overfolding, firing is good.

pre I would generally flat vs this HJ though, but 3-betting sometimes is fine too.
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10-23-2018 , 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by TheGodson
I think calling preflop or raising are both okay. Folding is a big mistake imo. Way too nitty especially with the loose HJ caller. I actually prefer 3-betting over calling most of the time.

The rest of the hand looks good to me. We block AJs and TT. Our opponent seems regish. Regs usually play nitty in 3-bet pots when they are multiway. They will call the turn jam with AJs, QQ, and TT for the most part I think. I suppose AKs and AQs with the flush draw is possible as well, but less likely.

The only problem I see is that we may be overbluffing since we can barrel here with the nut flush draw and wheel draw here too. Oh well though. People love to fold.

Maybe I'm a crazy nit, but I think the only Jx combo he should have is AJs. AJo, KJs, QJs, and JTs should all be folded preflop. I expect most regs to do this. Maybe I'm wrong. How many of you are calling with those hands in opponent's shoes?
I would probably call JTs (and T9s, for that matter) pre considering the HJ should call behind extremely often. Folding KJs and QJs as I feel hitting TP can bring a lot of problems. Then again, I have stationy tendencies.
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