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3b pot: Turn sizing and river decision 3b pot: Turn sizing and river decision

06-24-2021 , 07:54 AM
Are you squeezing all of these combos preflop or overcalling with some?
Turn sizing?
River?

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
SB ($27.71) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | Flop Agg: 0% | Turn Agg: 0% | River Agg: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | 4-Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 100% | Hands: 1]
HERO ($27.45) [VPIP: 23% | PFR: 19.4% | AGG: 37.9% | Flop Agg: 44.2% | Turn Agg: 35.4% | River Agg: 27.2% | 3-Bet: 11.2% | Fold to 3-Bet: 58.3% | 4-Bet: 13.1% | Hands: 8343]
UTG ($25) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 1]
HJ ($29.47) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 100% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 1]
CO ($24.55) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 1]
BTN ($25.93) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 1]

Dealt to Hero: A 5

UTG Folds, HJ Raises To $0.60, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Calls $0.50, HERO Raises To $3.20, HJ Folds, SB Calls $2.60

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.46 effective]
Flop ($7): Q 3 2
SB Checks, HERO Bets $2.25 (Rem. Stack: $22), SB Calls $2.25 (Rem. Stack: $22.26)

Turn ($11.50): Q 3 2 8
SB Checks, HERO Bets $3.25 (Rem. Stack: $18.75), SB Calls $3.25 (Rem. Stack: $19.01)

River ($18): Q 3 2 8 Q
SB Checks, HERO?
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06-24-2021 , 08:09 AM
I think squeeze and squeeze sizing is fine.

Do you always c-bet so small? I know smaller sizes are being used more and may be fine but both bets seem small and weakfish, particularly the turn bet stands out as too small IMO. I’m not sure what hand would make that size bet on the turn. I would expect you to bet more with high pps or your queens. As played, I’m giving up. Too many pp and queens in v’s range and I don’t know if a jam is going to get through after betting so small on the earlier streets. I’m also a nit though.
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06-24-2021 , 08:38 AM
yo @franchise, wb man missed you lately

i like pre and flop

turn is weird from my pov, you should likely polarize pretty hard ip and force a lot of his equity to either fold or bluff catch as there really isn't much between. As played, on river, i'm happily jammign anything > 8x tbh as a value bet so jamming A5ss as a bluff makes a lot of sense to me personally. If he ever calls 66/77/8x whatever, I honestly don't care.
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06-24-2021 , 08:50 AM
i m ok with around half pot turn bet, with smaller we have no fold equity and no SDV, flop i think i want to bet my mid pairs/overpairs and better tp bigger and not cbetting range on this flop, need proper suits for braodway combos to continue, but cbetting this hand obviously. Our river jam is 99+ i think, if he is nitty enaugh to not 4bet tt, you should reduce bluffs and value hands and be more conservative
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06-24-2021 , 12:23 PM
I think you only have a PSB left. V probably has lots of AXs hearts and clubs that win at SD, but also has a decent amount of value hands in range that win at SD as well. So X here probably loses the hand IMHO.

On the other hand the problem with jamming here is the small sizing (PSB) and the draw heavy nature of the board. Two FDs missed and a second Q on the river makes it less likely that you have a Q - PSB gives V 2:1 and he only needs to be good 33% of the time with a call. With so many bluffs available here V probably calls wider than we might want versus on a board with fewer natural bluffs.

As likelihood to call goes up my desire to only bet pot goes down. Checking behind here.

EDIT: Also I think if you plan to barrel turn you need to go larger - like 3/4+ pot to generate the FE while you have leverage with your stack.
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06-24-2021 , 02:04 PM
AP hero gave villain excellent odds to draw to both flush draws, so it looks like obligatory river shove AP, i mean its only way for earlier streets sizing to make any sense but.... this river is not great, our perceived value range shrinked in villain eyes, we rep Q mostly IMO and bvb 3bet defence should include a lot of Q's
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06-24-2021 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
ship turn
this is sqeezed pot, villain is supposed to fold nearly 70% of hands pre, qxs and aqo, maybe even kqo+mid pairs are large portion of villain range
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06-24-2021 , 05:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramius
this is sqeezed pot, villain is supposed to fold nearly 70% of hands pre, qxs and aqo, maybe even kqo+mid pairs are large portion of villain range
yeah im aware of how preflop works
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06-25-2021 , 06:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by white_lytning
I think squeeze and squeeze sizing is fine.

Do you always c-bet so small? I know smaller sizes are being used more and may be fine but both bets seem small and weakfish, particularly the turn bet stands out as too small IMO. I’m not sure what hand would make that size bet on the turn. I would expect you to bet more with high pps or your queens. As played, I’m giving up. Too many pp and queens in v’s range and I don’t know if a jam is going to get through after betting so small on the earlier streets. I’m also a nit though.
I cbet small on disconnected boards in order to fold out villains overcard combos and put their weak, made hands in a tough spot, which is great with my hands that are probably best (TT-99, for example) but do not want to bloat the pot themselves.

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06-25-2021 , 06:47 AM
Thanks for the replies, everyone! It seems like the river is a moot point if we go big on the turn...

Last edited by Franchise804; 06-25-2021 at 06:53 AM.
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06-25-2021 , 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
yo @franchise, wb man missed you lately

i like pre and flop

turn is weird from my pov, you should likely polarize pretty hard ip and force a lot of his equity to either fold or bluff catch as there really isn't much between. As played, on river, i'm happily jammign anything > 8x tbh as a value bet so jamming A5ss as a bluff makes a lot of sense to me personally. If he ever calls 66/77/8x whatever, I honestly don't care.
What's good man, yea happy to be back on the reg.

I agree that since this card is a blank it makes sense to go big, and the more hands we block, the bigger we should go; I am ripping it in with AK here!

However, what about the hands which block villains folding range but are still strong such as Tc9c or 7h6h...any thoughts on how to play those? Two sizing? Turn CRAI?


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06-25-2021 , 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
ship turn
We are doing this on every blank, I assume...

Curious about an A, K or J...

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06-25-2021 , 04:12 PM
Squeezing with A5s is fine, and I think your sizing is on the nose.

Villain has all the 33 and 22 combos in their range and we do not; but otherwise we have a massive range advantage. I think we should be betting 1/3 pot with our entire range and then going polarized on the turn.

And given that we are polarizing on the turn, I think we have enough other combos to bluff with (lots of AhXh and broadway combos suited in hearts) that we can check back this particular hand and realize our equity.

As played, how many combos that beat us that do not contain a Q get this far? A jam here has to target specifically ace-high heart and maybe club draws. Are there enough of these in the villain's range to make a jam profitable?
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06-27-2021 , 12:55 AM
I would just call pre. Don't think ppl overfold in HJ and hand plays fine MW esp if SB is a fish.
Flop looks fine
Turn sizing is of. Jamming duble FD turns in low spr is common so i think that sizing makes sense as well as some 1/2pot ot smt like that. This small bets are used on OC and if flush draw gets there.
Riv jam ofcwe unblock bunch of folds.
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06-27-2021 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
I would just call pre. Don't think ppl overfold in HJ and hand plays fine MW esp if SB is a fish.
Preety much this. We usually have no idea how fish cold call and 3bet overcall range looks like, also hj may deny us seeing flop by 4betting hand he would only call HU vs our 3bet, those are mostly broadway hands we have decent equity against, if you are not sure how to play against this player, it's another reason to only call
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06-28-2021 , 05:28 AM
i dont like your size ott, bcs you are representing overpairs, and you need protection against 2ble fd, you are not going to make that size with an ov, so i think your disbalance there, bet bigger ott and shove river brick
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