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3B with 76s ... dry flop ... facing river bet 3B with 76s ... dry flop ... facing river bet

01-16-2018 , 03:07 PM
888 Poker - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 109.1 BB (VPIP: 28.21, PFR: 22.60, 3Bet Preflop: 10.48, Hands: 702)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 30.43, PFR: 17.39, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 47)
BB: 128.2 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
UTG: 103.6 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
Hero (CO): 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6 7

UTG raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 8.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 5.5 BB

Flop: (18.5 BB, 2 players) 3 7 J
UTG checks, Hero bets 12.5 BB, UTG calls 12.5 BB

Turn: (43.5 BB, 2 players) 8
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: (43.5 BB, 2 players) 6
UTG bets 21.7 BB, Hero ?

This hand is a sequel to this:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/6...river-1701113/
In that hand, HERO also 3B with SC but ...had a fish cc, a wet flop which was c bet with air, and a bad river bluff

In this hand, i think my range includes overcards most of the time.. what should i do ?
3B with 76s ... dry flop ... facing river bet Quote
01-16-2018 , 04:16 PM
Call or raise the river. (but I think he have jjj here)
For the future, I don't recommend you do cbet here, coz you did bluff 3bet vs utg and his range looks power even if he is looks like a fish
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01-16-2018 , 04:46 PM
If you want to cbet here I’d make it like max 9BB. It is a fairly dry board and if he is calling he probably does it with the same range anyway.

Although I would go with the SDV and just x back planning on x/f anything except 7 or 6.

My prior line would be to fold pre tho. Are you maybe a bit wide in your 3b bluffing range here or did you have a read that he folds high % to 3b?


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01-16-2018 , 05:03 PM
What was your plan if you didn't make 2pair or better vs UTG?
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01-16-2018 , 06:23 PM
Not sure about whether I'd bet flop. There was a similar hand posted a few days ago with people arguing whether we should check or bet IP in spots like this. I lean toward betting small (I think 2/3 PSB is a bit large if we're mostly trying to fold out overcards) but don't hate checking.

Dunno how we can raise river. If you're UTG and you have Jx here, are you ever calling? I would just call OTR.
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01-16-2018 , 07:02 PM
I'd probably bet 76s with bd fd, and check 76s w/o bd fd. Cbet size is too large on this flop in a 3bet pot. I'd bet 1/2 pot, max. Probably more like 40%.
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01-16-2018 , 07:06 PM
Bet way smaller on the flop and shove river (not close)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Murkenexpress
What was your plan if you didn't make 2pair or better vs UTG?
play poker?
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01-17-2018 , 03:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmitjoo
If you want to cbet here I’d make it like max 9BB. It is a fairly dry board and if he is calling he probably does it with the same range anyway.
thinking about it, yes I should have bet a bit than less half the pot - looks stronger too on a dry flop.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Murkenexpress
What was your plan if you didn't make 2pair or better vs UTG?
fold maybe? but in this situation I think it is irrelevant what may plan was in that other situation
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01-17-2018 , 03:40 AM
First off don't like the 3bet preflop. MP vs UTG most people don't have any bluffs in their 3bet range, this doesn't make it right. I like that you are kind of thinking outside the box,even though utg range is tight your perceived range is going to look like TT+,AQ+ it may even be perceived as tighter. You will get a fair amount of folds and opponents left to act behind shouldn't be calling very much or 4betting unless they've got it. So I like your intention I don't like the hand you selected. 76s is really weak vs utg calling range something like 88+ maybe AQ and AK, he may also call with all smaller pp in trying to set mine. 76s also has poor blockers so the chances of you getting called or 4bet go up. This all being said idk how fishy he is so his range may be vastly different than what I am perceiving it to be.



As played I think you should check the flop but I could be wrong here. It's a 3bet pot so ranges are tighter. As I stated above there is going to be a lot of pp in utg's range. The few small ones you have crushed other than 33 and the bigger ones have you crushed so unless your planning on taking your pair of 7s otf and turning them into a bluff I don't see much value in betting other than protection from AK and AQ. You're in position so I would rather just check and see a turn card instead of betting. Your not giving up much equity by allowing your opponent to see one card if he does have AK.



As played I liked that you checked the turn. Once you get called otf you're not beating much.



Otr I it's a easy call. I it's almost guaranteed he doesn't have a flush. Your getting 3:1 and he could be value betting hands such as AA,KK,QQ,TT,99,AJo,QJs+ but he may also be value betting JJ,33,88,109s,78s or even 66,77. So the question now becomes do you want to raise? The Truth is idk. You have sizable equity advantage vs your opponents range but how often is he calling jams with worse hands and how is his range constructed when defending against a 3bet oop. Even if we remove KK+ and all the Jx from villains range completely there are still worse combos of hands that may be betting the river. But does villain bet river with hands such as 99 or use it them as bluff catchers. I can't give you a definitive answer but If it was me I would jam. Your line would look like a flush or nothing,should get you a fair amount of calls.

Last edited by Tough_Pl4yer; 01-17-2018 at 03:47 AM.
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01-17-2018 , 03:41 AM
I also like x back on flop. And betting flop with 76s with a bdfd. Is this really an easy shove on the river? I would just call but i play pretty bad and nitty

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01-17-2018 , 05:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesBJames
Not sure about whether I'd bet flop. There was a similar hand posted a few days ago with people arguing whether we should check or bet IP in spots like this. I lean toward betting small (I think 2/3 PSB is a bit large if we're mostly trying to fold out overcards) but don't hate checking.

Dunno how we can raise river. If you're UTG and you have Jx here, are you ever calling? I would just call OTR.
+1 Also I believe there is no need to 3bet this pre MP vs UTG., just fold pre.
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01-17-2018 , 10:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IClickButtons
+1 Also I believe there is no need to 3bet this pre MP vs UTG., just fold pre.



In reality it is CO vs MP. Quite a loose 3b anyway imo.
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